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    Posted: 10-May-2021 at 5:49pm
Het hierdie post op Facebook gesien, deur Willie otto:

LIONS SUPPORTERS BECOMING INTOLERANT AND FRUSTRATED
Since the (pre-Covid) Super Rugby of 2020 there’s been a marked deterioration in what used to be the top team in South Africa for several seasons. Despite that, from my side I’ve always done my best to encourage and defend our Lions team as well as creating a positive frame of mind for our readers/supporters by mentioning that we’ve lost a lot of our top players, and we are in the process of rebuilding a new team. However, one cannot fool the public forever by defending poor performances week after week. Don’t be misled by the fact that (on paper) both teams scored 4 tries each. If it wasn’t for some horrendous miss-tackles, the Sharks should never have scored some of those tries. And if it wasn’t for some unforced errors like knock-ons on the attack, the Lions would (and should have) scored more tries. Once again, we committed suicide with basic errors. And to add insult to injury, we were robbed when a penalty by the Sharks was clearly ‘timed-out’ – yet it was added to their score.
Sorry, but no matter how hard I try, I simply cannot find a valid excuse for such a lacklustre performance from a Union boasting (with few exceptions) some of the best individual players in the country. Yet, despite this abundance of talent and flair, they are failing dismally as a team. Sub-standard handling skills, poor defence and seemingly a total lack of cohesion and game plan currently makes them look extremely vulnerable and mediocre. Even to the die-hard supporters (including myself), this is heart-breaking and unacceptable. Lack of basic skills, team choice, game plan and discipline might be blamed on coaching. However, hiring and firing the WRONG people points directly to top management. We as supporters cannot condone such inexplicable decisions. The way certain ‘heroes/favourites’ (e.g. Marnus Schoeman) were treated is highly questionable, and will not soon be forgotten or forgiven. Well… somebody had to say it.
A little ray of light was that our lineouts were beyond criticism, but apart from that aspect the Lions looked pretty helpless in most other departments. Even our scrums were struggling. With no striking power in the midfield and ineffective ball retention and distribution, dangerous wingers like Rabz Maxwane and Courtnall Skosan were for most part keeping the linesmen company and hardly ever saw the ball. Also, at a stage where the Sharks were down to 13 men, we were incapable of penetrating their defence. And that after two attempts playing with a penalty advantage right under their posts! And then the inexplicable incident when we were on our way to score, and half the mall broke away. What should have been a definite Lions try, turned into a Sharks penalty. Where did we learn this?
Lastly - all of us had a lot to say when the Bulls bought the “has-been” 36-year-old Morné Steyn. And now? Last Saturday he single-handedly turned the match on its head when he came onto the field in the second half, and basically forced the Lions to defend in their own 22 for the rest of the match. Yesterday he was once again the kingpin in the Bulls’ victory over the Stormers on their home ground. His split second on-field decisions and pin-point kicking (both tactical and at posts) simply emphasizes the importance of a reliable top class No.10. At present, apart from Gianni Lombard and maybe Tiaan Swanepoel (both injured), we simply have no flyhalf to compete at that level.
I’ve been a Lions supporter since 1956 (65 years) and will forever remain 100% loyal to the Red-and-White team. However, it’s becoming increasingly more frustrating and difficult. Clearly some urgent dramatic changes are required if we wish to remain a factor in SA rugby, and not forced into a promotion relegation game again with the Cheetahs, or even worse, the Kings. Another huge concern is: “For how long will the best sponsor in the world (Emirates Air) tolerate this indifferent exposure?”.
So, come on Lions.. time to make a statement on Saturday against the Stormers!
**Soli Deo Gloria** / **LIONS4LIFE

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Well said
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I honestly hope that the powers that be will intervene and make the changes necessary to ensure the Lions become competitive again. 
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https://rugby365.com/tournaments/pro14/news-pro14/lions-get-serious-bok-muscle-back-for-stormers/

“I thought we were good enough to win,” the embattled coach said, adding: “We had enough opportunities. That adds to the frustration.”

The coach felt “composure at vital stages” is what is still lacking and cutting out the “costly errors”.

Van Rooyen continued to punt the young players they are bringing through, suggesting the team will continue to improve as they gain experience.

“We played against a [Sharks] team featuring six Springboks,” the coach said, adding: “Several players in our team are in their first season of senior rugby.

“It is an amazing experience for them and now they realise what it takes to play at this level. We are a very young group and every match is invaluable for the team.

“I feel we are improving significantly every week.”
 


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Originally posted by Red_Machine Red_Machine wrote:

Well said
Agreed
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“We played against a [Sharks] team featuring six Springboks,” the coach said, adding: “Several players in our team are in their first season of senior rugby." 

Hierdie is vir my 'n probleem. Om "te bou" met 'n jong span is 'n pipe dream. Die oomblik wat jong spelers begin talent wys en jou span gel, dan raap ander spanne hulle op. In my opinie moet jy 'n goeie mix he van jong spelers en meer ervare spelers, met 'n paar bokke of wereldklas spelers inbetween
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https://ewn.co.za/2021/05/07/kaizer-chiefs-fans-to-protest-against-how-the-club-is-being-run
Ek sien Kaizer Chiefs se ondersteuners staak vandag... Miskien moet ons Leeu ondersteuners ook bietjie Ellispark toe stap!LOL
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Originally posted by WitBoer WitBoer wrote:

https://ewn.co.za/2021/05/07/kaizer-chiefs-fans-to-protest-against-how-the-club-is-being-run
Ek sien Kaizer Chiefs se ondersteuners staak vandag... Miskien moet ons Leeu ondersteuners ook bietjie Ellispark toe stap!LOL
LOLLOL 
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Kom net gewapend, anders word ons dalk beroof LOL
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Ek neem aan elkeen moet ook sy eie tyre bring om te brand? O f sal mens daar kan koop? LOL
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Originally posted by valie valie wrote:

Ek neem aan elkeen moet ook sy eie tyre bring om te brand? O f sal mens daar kan koop? LOL

Haal sommer net van karre af wat daar gepark is Tongue
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😂😂

Ag more wen ons..  dan is alles vergete
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Ag more wen ons..  dan is alles vergete

As ons die volgende 4 wedstryde wen, dan sal ek my bek hou en baie bly wees. En om verskoning vra by almal- bestuur, afrigters en spelers.

Maar...
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how can we expect to win when we have no “spine” .

Yet we keep on buying wings. 

We can blame cash (and rightly so), but management need to take responsibility as well. What is the plan ? What brand do we want to play ? What is our recruitment and succession planning ? 


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Dok Craven het voorspel dat geld rugby sal vernietig.

Maar hy het nie die detail van Covid-19 geweet nie.
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Na die nuutste verloor teen Griquas het ek gou weer gaan kyk na ons results hierdie jaar:


13 wedstryde, 5 gewen en 8 verloor. 2 van daai wenne was teen OP en Pumas. En dan 1 keer teen sharks, bulls en wp elk.

Verlore sluit in 1 teen pumas en griquas elk. 

Dit is eenvoudig nie goed genoeg nie. Cash is nou al van 2018 af die hoof afrigter, mens sou dink hy en die span sou met tyd verbeter
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We need a new coach. It's actually shocking.
The union is starting to mismanage itself, like they did during the dark days of Lions rugby.

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So iemand opgemerk het …. Hulle is n verleentheid … ek begin ook maar dink dit is beter om die Cheetahs te laat speel in die Pro kompitisie
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Ek dink ook eerlikwaar ons kannie so aanhou voortploeter nie. Ons gaan 'n blerrie verleentheid wees in die Pro14. Die unie moet nou kyk na 'n nuwe hoof afrigter en talent scout. As hulle geld kort, laat gaan 'n paar spelers wat duidelik nie op hierdie vlak hoort nie. 
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Ek se weer: Maybe time to "Cash" out
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Sluit eerder die deure, die Bulle het genoeg ex Leeus dat ek maar hulle kan ondersteun. 

Of miskien sal die Bulle die Leeus koop, dan het ons nie meer probleme nie. 




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Originally posted by PaBz0r PaBz0r wrote:

Sluit eerder die deure, die Bulle het genoeg ex Leeus dat ek maar hulle kan ondersteun. 

Of miskien sal die Bulle die Leeus koop, dan het ons nie meer probleme nie. 


Ek voel ook half so... Gatvol vir die verskoning en die patetiese spel op die veld. Ek het geweet die Griquas gaan ons klop... Cheetahs sal ons 10 teen een ook klop... Ons moet maar vrede maak met die feit dat die bestuur geen ambisie het nie en dat ons maar die swakste Franchise gaan wees vir die nabye toekoms... 
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Originally posted by PaBz0r PaBz0r wrote:

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Ag more wen ons..  dan is alles vergete

As ons die volgende 4 wedstryde wen, dan sal ek my bek hou en baie bly wees. En om verskoning vra by almal- bestuur, afrigters en spelers.

Maar...

Darem hoef jy nie omverskoning te vra nie..
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Originally posted by OomPB OomPB wrote:

Dok Craven het voorspel dat geld rugby sal vernietig.

Maar hy het nie die detail van Covid-19 geweet nie.

I hope this was more tongue in cheek than fact. 

Money makes the world go round. We need to run the union like a business , and a business that doesn’t perform results in “groot koppe” getting axed.

Altman is an astute business man , how can he sit on the fence and allow his investment to fall apart in front of his eyes ?? 

I think he wrote off the money he put in (in his mind) and now he just wants to “breakeven” or run lean. 

We won’t get any further growth with that mindset. 

Another huge issue is our varsity cup teams. Don’t underestimate this.

When I was at UJ , we had real stars , most made it to the lions senior team and later became boks. From 2015 to 2018 , when we did exceptionally well, it was off the back of a really strong UJ team that dominated between 2009 - 20014 (although they never won the varsity cup, they had real talent and great systems). 

I don’t see us making it , we have nothing going for us (compared to bulls, wp, sharks) 
- Bad varsity cup teams (except the sharks that have nobody)
- Not winning junior rugby comps
- Having far less funding than
- Not having real quality springboks on our books
- Not having international level coaches in the coaching boks.
- Weak management teams
- Competitively weak schoolboy rugby
- Being in JHB CBD (Allure of Pretoria and Cape Town)


It’s not a simple problem to solve. But it doesn’t look like we are trying to address any of the real strategic issues. 

 


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