LionsWorld Forum : Current state of lions rugby http://www.lionsworld.co.za/forumnew/ Copyright (c) 2006-2013 Web Wiz Forums - All Rights Reserved. Fri, 15 May 2026 21:54:28 +0000 Wed, 22 Sep 2021 14:02:29 +0000 http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/tech/rss Web Wiz Forums 12.01 360 www.lionsworld.co.za/forumnew/RSS_post_feed.asp?TID=9092 <![CDATA[LionsWorld Forum]]> http://www.lionsworld.co.za/forumnew/forum_images/web_wiz_forums.png http://www.lionsworld.co.za/forumnew/ <![CDATA[Current state of lions rugby : Ek sien daar is n nuusberig op...]]> http://www.lionsworld.co.za/forumnew/forum_posts.asp?TID=9092&PID=57494&title=current-state-of-lions-rugby#57494 Author: monster
Subject: 9092
Posted: 22-Sep-2021 at 2:02pm

Ek sien daar is n nuusberig op supersport app wat lui “ van Rooyen in spotlight as lions open their campain” …. As ek die berig oop maak om hom te lees staan daar net “No data found for event” - ek dink dit is nogal n heel akurate opsomming van die huidige stand van Leeu rugby sake]]> Wed, 22 Sep 2021 14:02:29 +0000 http://www.lionsworld.co.za/forumnew/forum_posts.asp?TID=9092&PID=57494&title=current-state-of-lions-rugby#57494 <![CDATA[Current state of lions rugby : emiel1 wrote: Leeubok wrote: ...]]> http://www.lionsworld.co.za/forumnew/forum_posts.asp?TID=9092&PID=56799&title=current-state-of-lions-rugby#56799 Author: Niela
Subject: 9092
Posted: 02-Aug-2021 at 7:42pm

Originally posted by emiel1 emiel1 wrote:

Originally posted by Leeubok Leeubok wrote:

Originally posted by WitBoer WitBoer wrote:

Originally posted by L13 L13 wrote:

How do you solve this? Replacing Cash is the obvious solution but it isn't that easy.

1. We probably don't have enough money to fire him and knowing us we probably didn't put a performance clause in his contract.

2. Who replaces him? We don't have money to buy anyone out of their contract so it would have to be someone currently without a team... And even if we find a top level coach who is currently out of work there is a good chance they wouldn't want to join because the mess is too big. If by a miracle we find a top coach, who isn't currently contracted and surprisingly wants the job/challenge then how will we afford their backroom staff?

3. We don't have the advantages we had when we were kicked out of Super Rugby. John Mitchell, Spencer and Taylor had created a very fit team with a focus of running rugby. When JA moved up from forwards coach these were in place and he had a year out of competitive rugby to build a hungry squad, focus on tactics and build team culture. The new coach won't have any of that....

Long and painful road ahead I think :(
We can gather some spare change by letting most of the has beens go... I am fairly sure someone like Jannie du Plessis for instance does not come cheap and I am still not convinced that we need him... 
I am a huge Jaco Kriel fan, but we are wasting money on him, he is permanently injured. 
I am sure we can afford a pretty decent coach with a Jannie du Plessis's salary. 

I'm sorry but if Cash doesn't have a performance clause then top management should also excuse themselves and go. 

We simply can't continue as is simply because of a lack of money. I agree with Witboer, let go some of the has been and never beens and our 15th wing, and let go the current head coach at the very least. Surely somewhere out there is a better coach who can take over!

A new coach must take over NOW, and use the remainder of the CC as preparation for the Pro14. 

I would say that with the way the union has been run the last couple of seasons (poor succession planning, appointing fitness coach to be assisted by schools and junior  coaches, piss poor contracting, etc) ); that top management should be the first to go. Get someone competent with good business and decision making qualities to appoint and get the right mix regarding coaching and support structures. 

I’m happy you agree Emiel , when there is soooooo much wrong. Then you cannot fix one thing In isolation (like fire cash), and expect it to be a silver bullet. 

We are too deep and for that only management can be held to account 
]]> Mon, 02 Aug 2021 19:42:10 +0000 http://www.lionsworld.co.za/forumnew/forum_posts.asp?TID=9092&PID=56799&title=current-state-of-lions-rugby#56799 <![CDATA[Current state of lions rugby : Leeubok wrote: WitBoer wrote: ...]]> http://www.lionsworld.co.za/forumnew/forum_posts.asp?TID=9092&PID=56791&title=current-state-of-lions-rugby#56791 Author: emiel1
Subject: 9092
Posted: 02-Aug-2021 at 2:14pm

Originally posted by Leeubok Leeubok wrote:

Originally posted by WitBoer WitBoer wrote:

Originally posted by L13 L13 wrote:

How do you solve this? Replacing Cash is the obvious solution but it isn't that easy.

1. We probably don't have enough money to fire him and knowing us we probably didn't put a performance clause in his contract.

2. Who replaces him? We don't have money to buy anyone out of their contract so it would have to be someone currently without a team... And even if we find a top level coach who is currently out of work there is a good chance they wouldn't want to join because the mess is too big. If by a miracle we find a top coach, who isn't currently contracted and surprisingly wants the job/challenge then how will we afford their backroom staff?

3. We don't have the advantages we had when we were kicked out of Super Rugby. John Mitchell, Spencer and Taylor had created a very fit team with a focus of running rugby. When JA moved up from forwards coach these were in place and he had a year out of competitive rugby to build a hungry squad, focus on tactics and build team culture. The new coach won't have any of that....

Long and painful road ahead I think :(
We can gather some spare change by letting most of the has beens go... I am fairly sure someone like Jannie du Plessis for instance does not come cheap and I am still not convinced that we need him... 
I am a huge Jaco Kriel fan, but we are wasting money on him, he is permanently injured. 
I am sure we can afford a pretty decent coach with a Jannie du Plessis's salary. 

I'm sorry but if Cash doesn't have a performance clause then top management should also excuse themselves and go. 

We simply can't continue as is simply because of a lack of money. I agree with Witboer, let go some of the has been and never beens and our 15th wing, and let go the current head coach at the very least. Surely somewhere out there is a better coach who can take over!

A new coach must take over NOW, and use the remainder of the CC as preparation for the Pro14. 

I would say that with the way the union has been run the last couple of seasons (poor succession planning, appointing fitness coach to be assisted by schools and junior  coaches, piss poor contracting, etc) ); that top management should be the first to go. Get someone competent with good business and decision making qualities to appoint and get the right mix regarding coaching and support structures. 


Edited by emiel1 - 02-Aug-2021 at 2:15pm]]> Mon, 02 Aug 2021 14:14:35 +0000 http://www.lionsworld.co.za/forumnew/forum_posts.asp?TID=9092&PID=56791&title=current-state-of-lions-rugby#56791 <![CDATA[Current state of lions rugby : WitBoer wrote: L13 wrote:How...]]> http://www.lionsworld.co.za/forumnew/forum_posts.asp?TID=9092&PID=56789&title=current-state-of-lions-rugby#56789 Author: Leeubok
Subject: 9092
Posted: 02-Aug-2021 at 12:39pm

Originally posted by WitBoer WitBoer wrote:

Originally posted by L13 L13 wrote:

How do you solve this? Replacing Cash is the obvious solution but it isn't that easy.

1. We probably don't have enough money to fire him and knowing us we probably didn't put a performance clause in his contract.

2. Who replaces him? We don't have money to buy anyone out of their contract so it would have to be someone currently without a team... And even if we find a top level coach who is currently out of work there is a good chance they wouldn't want to join because the mess is too big. If by a miracle we find a top coach, who isn't currently contracted and surprisingly wants the job/challenge then how will we afford their backroom staff?

3. We don't have the advantages we had when we were kicked out of Super Rugby. John Mitchell, Spencer and Taylor had created a very fit team with a focus of running rugby. When JA moved up from forwards coach these were in place and he had a year out of competitive rugby to build a hungry squad, focus on tactics and build team culture. The new coach won't have any of that....

Long and painful road ahead I think :(
We can gather some spare change by letting most of the has beens go... I am fairly sure someone like Jannie du Plessis for instance does not come cheap and I am still not convinced that we need him... 
I am a huge Jaco Kriel fan, but we are wasting money on him, he is permanently injured. 
I am sure we can afford a pretty decent coach with a Jannie du Plessis's salary. 

I'm sorry but if Cash doesn't have a performance clause then top management should also excuse themselves and go. 

We simply can't continue as is simply because of a lack of money. I agree with Witboer, let go some of the has been and never beens and our 15th wing, and let go the current head coach at the very least. Surely somewhere out there is a better coach who can take over!

A new coach must take over NOW, and use the remainder of the CC as preparation for the Pro14. 
]]> Mon, 02 Aug 2021 12:39:08 +0000 http://www.lionsworld.co.za/forumnew/forum_posts.asp?TID=9092&PID=56789&title=current-state-of-lions-rugby#56789 <![CDATA[Current state of lions rugby : L13 wrote:How do you solve...]]> http://www.lionsworld.co.za/forumnew/forum_posts.asp?TID=9092&PID=56788&title=current-state-of-lions-rugby#56788 Author: WitBoer
Subject: 9092
Posted: 02-Aug-2021 at 12:24pm

Originally posted by L13 L13 wrote:

How do you solve this? Replacing Cash is the obvious solution but it isn't that easy.

1. We probably don't have enough money to fire him and knowing us we probably didn't put a performance clause in his contract.

2. Who replaces him? We don't have money to buy anyone out of their contract so it would have to be someone currently without a team... And even if we find a top level coach who is currently out of work there is a good chance they wouldn't want to join because the mess is too big. If by a miracle we find a top coach, who isn't currently contracted and surprisingly wants the job/challenge then how will we afford their backroom staff?

3. We don't have the advantages we had when we were kicked out of Super Rugby. John Mitchell, Spencer and Taylor had created a very fit team with a focus of running rugby. When JA moved up from forwards coach these were in place and he had a year out of competitive rugby to build a hungry squad, focus on tactics and build team culture. The new coach won't have any of that....

Long and painful road ahead I think :(
We can gather some spare change by letting most of the has beens go... I am fairly sure someone like Jannie du Plessis for instance does not come cheap and I am still not convinced that we need him... 
I am a huge Jaco Kriel fan, but we are wasting money on him, he is permanently injured. 
I am sure we can afford a pretty decent coach with a Jannie du Plessis's salary. 
]]> Mon, 02 Aug 2021 12:24:39 +0000 http://www.lionsworld.co.za/forumnew/forum_posts.asp?TID=9092&PID=56788&title=current-state-of-lions-rugby#56788 <![CDATA[Current state of lions rugby : TunaLion wrote:Ek glo Dave...]]> http://www.lionsworld.co.za/forumnew/forum_posts.asp?TID=9092&PID=56785&title=current-state-of-lions-rugby#56785 Author: PaBz0r
Subject: 9092
Posted: 02-Aug-2021 at 10:19am

Originally posted by TunaLion TunaLion wrote:

Ek glo Dave Wessels het steeds nie weer geteken by 'n span nie en ek dink hy is 'n baie goeie afrigter as mens kyk wat hy in sy loopbaan ook al uitgerig het met klomp no-names.

Dink nie hy sal maklik van Aus af kom om in JHB te woon nie :D
]]> Mon, 02 Aug 2021 10:19:08 +0000 http://www.lionsworld.co.za/forumnew/forum_posts.asp?TID=9092&PID=56785&title=current-state-of-lions-rugby#56785 <![CDATA[Current state of lions rugby : Ek glo Dave Wessels het steeds...]]> http://www.lionsworld.co.za/forumnew/forum_posts.asp?TID=9092&PID=56782&title=current-state-of-lions-rugby#56782 Author: TunaLion
Subject: 9092
Posted: 02-Aug-2021 at 9:58am

Ek glo Dave Wessels het steeds nie weer geteken by 'n span nie en ek dink hy is 'n baie goeie afrigter as mens kyk wat hy in sy loopbaan ook al uitgerig het met klomp no-names.
]]> Mon, 02 Aug 2021 09:58:15 +0000 http://www.lionsworld.co.za/forumnew/forum_posts.asp?TID=9092&PID=56782&title=current-state-of-lions-rugby#56782 <![CDATA[Current state of lions rugby : How do you solve this? Replacing...]]> http://www.lionsworld.co.za/forumnew/forum_posts.asp?TID=9092&PID=56781&title=current-state-of-lions-rugby#56781 Author: L13
Subject: 9092
Posted: 02-Aug-2021 at 9:52am

How do you solve this? Replacing Cash is the obvious solution but it isn't that easy.

1. We probably don't have enough money to fire him and knowing us we probably didn't put a performance clause in his contract.

2. Who replaces him? We don't have money to buy anyone out of their contract so it would have to be someone currently without a team... And even if we find a top level coach who is currently out of work there is a good chance they wouldn't want to join because the mess is too big. If by a miracle we find a top coach, who isn't currently contracted and surprisingly wants the job/challenge then how will we afford their backroom staff?

3. We don't have the advantages we had when we were kicked out of Super Rugby. John Mitchell, Spencer and Taylor had created a very fit team with a focus of running rugby. When JA moved up from forwards coach these were in place and he had a year out of competitive rugby to build a hungry squad, focus on tactics and build team culture. The new coach won't have any of that....

Long and painful road ahead I think :(
]]> Mon, 02 Aug 2021 09:52:28 +0000 http://www.lionsworld.co.za/forumnew/forum_posts.asp?TID=9092&PID=56781&title=current-state-of-lions-rugby#56781 <![CDATA[Current state of lions rugby : Leeubok wrote: PaBz0r wrote:Lyk...]]> http://www.lionsworld.co.za/forumnew/forum_posts.asp?TID=9092&PID=56780&title=current-state-of-lions-rugby#56780 Author: WitBoer
Subject: 9092
Posted: 02-Aug-2021 at 8:36am

Originally posted by Leeubok Leeubok wrote:

Originally posted by PaBz0r PaBz0r wrote:

Lyk of dit bevestig is dat Warren waai Sharks toe. Was in die Rapport. 

Dis 'n jammerte, en wys nou maar net dat alles nie pluis is in die unie nie. 


Dit is jammer... Maar ja, glo nie dit is huidiglik 'n lekker atmosfeer om in te werk nie... 
]]> Mon, 02 Aug 2021 08:36:01 +0000 http://www.lionsworld.co.za/forumnew/forum_posts.asp?TID=9092&PID=56780&title=current-state-of-lions-rugby#56780 <![CDATA[Current state of lions rugby : PaBz0r wrote:Lyk of dit bevestig...]]> http://www.lionsworld.co.za/forumnew/forum_posts.asp?TID=9092&PID=56777&title=current-state-of-lions-rugby#56777 Author: Leeubok
Subject: 9092
Posted: 02-Aug-2021 at 7:14am

Originally posted by PaBz0r PaBz0r wrote:

Lyk of dit bevestig is dat Warren waai Sharks toe. Was in die Rapport. 

Dis 'n jammerte, en wys nou maar net dat alles nie pluis is in die unie nie. 


]]> Mon, 02 Aug 2021 07:14:20 +0000 http://www.lionsworld.co.za/forumnew/forum_posts.asp?TID=9092&PID=56777&title=current-state-of-lions-rugby#56777