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OK, so klink of hy nie gekies is nie, omdat hy nie sy pre season fiksheids werk gedoen het nie....
Ek dink nie hy sal weer so 'n fout maak nie....
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Ek hoor hy het sy agent opdrag gegee om met ander unies te praat
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Ek verstaan dit nie? Jy weet jy moet jou gat af werk om iewers te kom, dan as jy dit nie doen nie praat jy met ander unies, want jy hou nie van die omstandighede wat jy jouself in geplaas het nie? Nee wat, as jou hart nie is by die Leeus nie, dan moet jy maar liefs die pad vat.


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Stem saam, is dit sy houding is kan hy maar gaan. Al die ander spelers moes dit doen hoekom nie hy nie.
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It will be a loss for the union because he is a promising player, but we don't need primadonnas. 
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Simelane weet verseker hoe om sy opponent te klop, maar op defense was hy nog altyd vir my maar below average, en defense is n baie groot deel van n buitesenter se job.
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Ek stem saam, hy is glad nie oortuigend op verdediging nie
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Om die waarheid te se, hy oortuig my dat hy nie van verdedig hou nie
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Originally posted by Transvaal Transvaal wrote:

Om die waarheid te se, hy oortuig my dat hy nie van verdedig hou nie
Ja, net so
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En as 'n speler eers so min hou van duik, is dit moeilik om hom te verander, so hy gaan 'n swak verdediger bly
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Hy het nie nie die fisiese kwaliteit om impak in middeveld te maak nie, veral op verdediging. Met die spasie up vleeul of heelagter is dit 'n heel ander storie. Maar dan sal hy sy gesindheid moet verander.  

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Stem ouens. Ek spekuleer nou net, maar dalk het hy self in al die hype wat van hom gemaak is geglo, en gedink hy gaan sommer net in die span instap?
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Ek het hom as baie belowend beskou en gedink hierdie was sy jaar. In die ander draad het ek self gevra waarom hy nie speel nie want ek kon nie glo hy word nie gekies nie. Maar noudat ek hierdie lees, maak dit sin dat hy nie gekies word nie. As jou houding nie reg is nie, gaan geen afrigter jou n beter speler kan maak nie.
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Originally posted by Transvaal Transvaal wrote:

Ek hoor hy het sy agent opdrag gegee om met ander unies te praat
So ander unies het nie pre-season programme en fiksheidstandaarde nie? Watter unie gaan belangstel in so stink houding?

Nee wat bra, maak nie saak hoe talentvol jy is, of dink jy is nie- stof jouself af, vra om verskoning, werk jou gat af.

Dis sommer 'n goeie les vir die lewe buite rugby ook.
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Laat n ander unie dan met hom sukkel
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Originally posted by Attie Karate Attie Karate wrote:

Originally posted by Transvaal Transvaal wrote:

Ek hoor hy het sy agent opdrag gegee om met ander unies te praat
So ander unies het nie pre-season programme en fiksheidstandaarde nie? Watter unie gaan belangstel in so stink houding?

Nee wat bra, maak nie saak hoe talentvol jy is, of dink jy is nie- stof jouself af, vra om verskoning, werk jou gat af.

Dis sommer 'n goeie les vir die lewe buite rugby ook.


Dit is baie waar. As hy dink dit is die houding waarmee hy ver gaan kom in die lewe is dit beter dat sy tjank so vinnig as moontlik afgetrap word anders ghaan hy maar swaak kry in sy beroep.
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I find it very difficult to believe a player that has excelled at every level to be one of the best junior centers in the world suddenly loses all professionalism and doesn't know how to put in hard work. I think there is more to this and probably a case of he's lost motivation because the coach is not interested in him at all and would rather convert a wing into a center.

The same situation as Dayimani - his third season of senior rugby, has done extra work with the 7s team, done loads of work in the gym and we want to play a flank at 8, yes Massayn has done well but what does that say to Dayimani? It says time to find a new team. 

Last year I was very excited for the lions future with McBeth, Brandon, Ntlabakanye, Van Wyk, Tshituka, Dayimani, Lombard, Rass, Simelane, Tambwe and Green. 

Already Tambwe has gone after not getting any chances despite scoring tries for fun and I expect Dayimani and Simelane to be gone next year with McBeth and Ntlabakanye following.
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I saw a video of Rassie Erasmus explaining the cycle of a springbok, going from hardwork to entitlement. 

I think it can happen to the best of players, you achieve something, then you become entitled. It just happens to different people at different stages. Thats why life coaches and mentors are critical 


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Originally posted by Niela Niela wrote:

I saw a video of Rassie Erasmus explaining the cycle of a springbok, going from hardwork to entitlement. 

I think it can happen to the best of players, you achieve something, then you become entitled. It just happens to different people at different stages. Thats why life coaches and mentors are critical 



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Originally posted by L13 L13 wrote:

I find it very difficult to believe a player that has excelled at every level to be one of the best junior centers in the world suddenly loses all professionalism and doesn't know how to put in hard work. I think there is more to this and probably a case of he's lost motivation because the coach is not interested in him at all and would rather convert a wing into a center.

The same situation as Dayimani - his third season of senior rugby, has done extra work with the 7s team, done loads of work in the gym and we want to play a flank at 8, yes Massayn has done well but what does that say to Dayimani? It says time to find a new team. 

Last year I was very excited for the lions future with McBeth, Brandon, Ntlabakanye, Van Wyk, Tshituka, Dayimani, Lombard, Rass, Simelane, Tambwe and Green. 

Already Tambwe has gone after not getting any chances despite scoring tries for fun and I expect Dayimani and Simelane to be gone next year with McBeth and Ntlabakanye following.

Wandile, is that you?

Anyhow, all of us would agree that Simelane and Dayimani are super talented players, and we would want to see them grow as players and make the number 13 and 7/8 jerseys theirs. Most of us have been watching rugby for a very long time, and we can spot what we think the shortcoming of players are, obviously if players can work on their shortcomings and overcome them, so much the better for the player AND the team. For a player to think he deserves a jersey, that's just not going to go down well with anyone, just keep on working and FORCE the coach to pick you, even if you think the coach is not interested in you. At the moment the players in the Lions side that are forcing the coach to pick them, are Marnus Schoeman, Vincent Tshituka, Len Massyn and Tyrone Green.

If all 23 played with the effort of those 4, it would be spectacular. Anyway, it would never be in the interest of a coach to NOT pick a player that is forcing himself into the team, and by forcing himself into the team, I mean by showing the effort of the 4 players I mentioned
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Originally posted by Transvaal Transvaal wrote:

Originally posted by L13 L13 wrote:

I find it very difficult to believe a player that has excelled at every level to be one of the best junior centers in the world suddenly loses all professionalism and doesn't know how to put in hard work. I think there is more to this and probably a case of he's lost motivation because the coach is not interested in him at all and would rather convert a wing into a center.

The same situation as Dayimani - his third season of senior rugby, has done extra work with the 7s team, done loads of work in the gym and we want to play a flank at 8, yes Massayn has done well but what does that say to Dayimani? It says time to find a new team. 

Last year I was very excited for the lions future with McBeth, Brandon, Ntlabakanye, Van Wyk, Tshituka, Dayimani, Lombard, Rass, Simelane, Tambwe and Green. 

Already Tambwe has gone after not getting any chances despite scoring tries for fun and I expect Dayimani and Simelane to be gone next year with McBeth and Ntlabakanye following.

Wandile, is that you?

Anyhow, all of us would agree that Simelane and Dayimani are super talented players, and we would want to see them grow as players and make the number 13 and 7/8 jerseys theirs. Most of us have been watching rugby for a very long time, and we can spot what we think the shortcoming of players are, obviously if players can work on their shortcomings and overcome them, so much the better for the player AND the team. For a player to think he deserves a jersey, that's just not going to go down well with anyone, just keep on working and FORCE the coach to pick you, even if you think the coach is not interested in you. At the moment the players in the Lions side that are forcing the coach to pick them, are Marnus Schoeman, Vincent Tshituka, Len Massyn and Tyrone Green.

If all 23 played with the effort of those 4, it would be spectacular. Anyway, it would never be in the interest of a coach to NOT pick a player that is forcing himself into the team, and by forcing himself into the team, I mean by showing the effort of the 4 players I mentioned
The other thing to remember is that because we speculate here about something, it just remains that: speculation. The source , which is a well known rugby writer mentioned that there was speculation among players that Simelane did not complete the necessary work in die pre season, and that is mostly what we are speculating about. You would agree that if this was in fact true, the player does not appear to have acted very professionally.
My question further is do the guys who are currently in the team really deserve to just be dropped just to make a place for these talented youngsters? Do you now pick Mcbeth ahead of Dylan Smith and Sti Sithole, just because he is talented? What has Matthews done wrong to deserve to be dropped? When we were under pressure, he and Kriel stood their ground on defence. I agree talent should be developed, but remember the coach also has some performance targets he needs to meet, in order for him to retain his job. The talented youngsters will get a chance, as long as they keep working hard and maintain the right mindset.
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I 100% agree that effort outweighs talent. Ackermann and Swys proved that when they took "rejects" from the bulls and sharks and made us Super Rugby finalists.

My point with the youngsters I mentioned was more about planning and road-mapping. You see it in New Zealand all the time - talented youngster in year 1 is in the squad, learning the ropes with a few games off the bench, year 2 - he's on the bench and starting a few games, year 3 - he's rotating with the starter and year 4 he is the starter and a new youngster joins the system. That way the team is moving the "old" player on and plan correctly. Youngsters also understand where they are and feel like they are part of the plan. 

In SA we seem to be desperate to hang on to guys to the point where we are still negotiating with guys for next season long after the current season ended.

Last year for example - we all knew Mapoe was going (actually as much as I really like him - it looked like a season too many at times last season), but how many games did his replacement start? Did we even know who would be our outside center this season? We knew Marx would be on sabbatical yet how many games did Jansen start?
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