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Topic: Simelane issues
Posted By: Red_Machine
Subject: Simelane issues
Date Posted: 10-Feb-2020 at 7:41am
Anyone know what's really going on here?

https://www.sarugbymag.co.za/paper-talk-simelane-fitness-concern/" rel="nofollow - https://www.sarugbymag.co.za/paper-talk-simelane-fitness-concern/



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Posted By: valie
Date Posted: 10-Feb-2020 at 7:54am
OK, so klink of hy nie gekies is nie, omdat hy nie sy pre season fiksheids werk gedoen het nie....
Ek dink nie hy sal weer so 'n fout maak nie....


Posted By: Transvaal
Date Posted: 10-Feb-2020 at 7:56am
Ek hoor hy het sy agent opdrag gegee om met ander unies te praat


Posted By: PaBz0r
Date Posted: 10-Feb-2020 at 8:18am
Ek verstaan dit nie? Jy weet jy moet jou gat af werk om iewers te kom, dan as jy dit nie doen nie praat jy met ander unies, want jy hou nie van die omstandighede wat jy jouself in geplaas het nie? Nee wat, as jou hart nie is by die Leeus nie, dan moet jy maar liefs die pad vat.




Posted By: Transvaal
Date Posted: 10-Feb-2020 at 8:19am
Stem


Posted By: Paul
Date Posted: 10-Feb-2020 at 8:45am
Stem saam, is dit sy houding is kan hy maar gaan. Al die ander spelers moes dit doen hoekom nie hy nie.


Posted By: Red_Machine
Date Posted: 10-Feb-2020 at 9:32am
It will be a loss for the union because he is a promising player, but we don't need primadonnas. 


Posted By: valie
Date Posted: 10-Feb-2020 at 9:46am
Simelane weet verseker hoe om sy opponent te klop, maar op defense was hy nog altyd vir my maar below average, en defense is n baie groot deel van n buitesenter se job.


Posted By: Transvaal
Date Posted: 10-Feb-2020 at 9:47am
Ek stem saam, hy is glad nie oortuigend op verdediging nie


Posted By: Transvaal
Date Posted: 10-Feb-2020 at 9:48am
Om die waarheid te se, hy oortuig my dat hy nie van verdedig hou nie


Posted By: valie
Date Posted: 10-Feb-2020 at 9:55am
Originally posted by Transvaal Transvaal wrote:

Om die waarheid te se, hy oortuig my dat hy nie van verdedig hou nie
Ja, net so


Posted By: Transvaal
Date Posted: 10-Feb-2020 at 9:57am
En as 'n speler eers so min hou van duik, is dit moeilik om hom te verander, so hy gaan 'n swak verdediger bly


Posted By: emiel1
Date Posted: 10-Feb-2020 at 10:16am
Hy het nie nie die fisiese kwaliteit om impak in middeveld te maak nie, veral op verdediging. Met die spasie up vleeul of heelagter is dit 'n heel ander storie. Maar dan sal hy sy gesindheid moet verander.  


Posted By: Leeubok
Date Posted: 10-Feb-2020 at 10:28am
Stem ouens. Ek spekuleer nou net, maar dalk het hy self in al die hype wat van hom gemaak is geglo, en gedink hy gaan sommer net in die span instap?


Posted By: TunaLion
Date Posted: 10-Feb-2020 at 1:23pm
Ek het hom as baie belowend beskou en gedink hierdie was sy jaar. In die ander draad het ek self gevra waarom hy nie speel nie want ek kon nie glo hy word nie gekies nie. Maar noudat ek hierdie lees, maak dit sin dat hy nie gekies word nie. As jou houding nie reg is nie, gaan geen afrigter jou n beter speler kan maak nie.


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Posted By: Attie Karate
Date Posted: 10-Feb-2020 at 4:19pm
Originally posted by Transvaal Transvaal wrote:

Ek hoor hy het sy agent opdrag gegee om met ander unies te praat
So ander unies het nie pre-season programme en fiksheidstandaarde nie? Watter unie gaan belangstel in so stink houding?

Nee wat bra, maak nie saak hoe talentvol jy is, of dink jy is nie- stof jouself af, vra om verskoning, werk jou gat af.

Dis sommer 'n goeie les vir die lewe buite rugby ook.


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Posted By: Rooibonte8
Date Posted: 10-Feb-2020 at 9:08pm
Laat n ander unie dan met hom sukkel


Posted By: Rooibonte8
Date Posted: 10-Feb-2020 at 9:08pm
En hom betaal


Posted By: TunaLion
Date Posted: 10-Feb-2020 at 10:47pm
Originally posted by Attie Karate Attie Karate wrote:

Originally posted by Transvaal Transvaal wrote:

Ek hoor hy het sy agent opdrag gegee om met ander unies te praat
So ander unies het nie pre-season programme en fiksheidstandaarde nie? Watter unie gaan belangstel in so stink houding?

Nee wat bra, maak nie saak hoe talentvol jy is, of dink jy is nie- stof jouself af, vra om verskoning, werk jou gat af.

Dis sommer 'n goeie les vir die lewe buite rugby ook.


Dit is baie waar. As hy dink dit is die houding waarmee hy ver gaan kom in die lewe is dit beter dat sy tjank so vinnig as moontlik afgetrap word anders ghaan hy maar swaak kry in sy beroep.


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Posted By: L13
Date Posted: 11-Feb-2020 at 6:43am
I find it very difficult to believe a player that has excelled at every level to be one of the best junior centers in the world suddenly loses all professionalism and doesn't know how to put in hard work. I think there is more to this and probably a case of he's lost motivation because the coach is not interested in him at all and would rather convert a wing into a center.

The same situation as Dayimani - his third season of senior rugby, has done extra work with the 7s team, done loads of work in the gym and we want to play a flank at 8, yes Massayn has done well but what does that say to Dayimani? It says time to find a new team. 

Last year I was very excited for the lions future with McBeth, Brandon, Ntlabakanye, Van Wyk, Tshituka, Dayimani, Lombard, Rass, Simelane, Tambwe and Green. 

Already Tambwe has gone after not getting any chances despite scoring tries for fun and I expect Dayimani and Simelane to be gone next year with McBeth and Ntlabakanye following.


Posted By: Niela
Date Posted: 11-Feb-2020 at 7:56am
I saw a video of Rassie Erasmus explaining the cycle of a springbok, going from hardwork to entitlement. 

I think it can happen to the best of players, you achieve something, then you become entitled. It just happens to different people at different stages. Thats why life coaches and mentors are critical 




Posted By: Niela
Date Posted: 11-Feb-2020 at 7:58am
Originally posted by Niela Niela wrote:

I saw a video of Rassie Erasmus explaining the cycle of a springbok, going from hardwork to entitlement. 

I think it can happen to the best of players, you achieve something, then you become entitled. It just happens to different people at different stages. Thats why life coaches and mentors are critical 



https://www.sport24.co.za/Rugby/Springboks/watch-rassie-warns-boks-against-being-entitled-dis-20200210" rel="nofollow - https://www.sport24.co.za/Rugby/Springboks/watch-rassie-warns-boks-against-being-entitled-dis-20200210


Posted By: Transvaal
Date Posted: 11-Feb-2020 at 8:12am
Originally posted by L13 L13 wrote:

I find it very difficult to believe a player that has excelled at every level to be one of the best junior centers in the world suddenly loses all professionalism and doesn't know how to put in hard work. I think there is more to this and probably a case of he's lost motivation because the coach is not interested in him at all and would rather convert a wing into a center.

The same situation as Dayimani - his third season of senior rugby, has done extra work with the 7s team, done loads of work in the gym and we want to play a flank at 8, yes Massayn has done well but what does that say to Dayimani? It says time to find a new team. 

Last year I was very excited for the lions future with McBeth, Brandon, Ntlabakanye, Van Wyk, Tshituka, Dayimani, Lombard, Rass, Simelane, Tambwe and Green. 

Already Tambwe has gone after not getting any chances despite scoring tries for fun and I expect Dayimani and Simelane to be gone next year with McBeth and Ntlabakanye following.

Wandile, is that you?

Anyhow, all of us would agree that Simelane and Dayimani are super talented players, and we would want to see them grow as players and make the number 13 and 7/8 jerseys theirs. Most of us have been watching rugby for a very long time, and we can spot what we think the shortcoming of players are, obviously if players can work on their shortcomings and overcome them, so much the better for the player AND the team. For a player to think he deserves a jersey, that's just not going to go down well with anyone, just keep on working and FORCE the coach to pick you, even if you think the coach is not interested in you. At the moment the players in the Lions side that are forcing the coach to pick them, are Marnus Schoeman, Vincent Tshituka, Len Massyn and Tyrone Green.

If all 23 played with the effort of those 4, it would be spectacular. Anyway, it would never be in the interest of a coach to NOT pick a player that is forcing himself into the team, and by forcing himself into the team, I mean by showing the effort of the 4 players I mentioned


Posted By: valie
Date Posted: 11-Feb-2020 at 9:03am
Originally posted by Transvaal Transvaal wrote:

Originally posted by L13 L13 wrote:

I find it very difficult to believe a player that has excelled at every level to be one of the best junior centers in the world suddenly loses all professionalism and doesn't know how to put in hard work. I think there is more to this and probably a case of he's lost motivation because the coach is not interested in him at all and would rather convert a wing into a center.

The same situation as Dayimani - his third season of senior rugby, has done extra work with the 7s team, done loads of work in the gym and we want to play a flank at 8, yes Massayn has done well but what does that say to Dayimani? It says time to find a new team. 

Last year I was very excited for the lions future with McBeth, Brandon, Ntlabakanye, Van Wyk, Tshituka, Dayimani, Lombard, Rass, Simelane, Tambwe and Green. 

Already Tambwe has gone after not getting any chances despite scoring tries for fun and I expect Dayimani and Simelane to be gone next year with McBeth and Ntlabakanye following.

Wandile, is that you?

Anyhow, all of us would agree that Simelane and Dayimani are super talented players, and we would want to see them grow as players and make the number 13 and 7/8 jerseys theirs. Most of us have been watching rugby for a very long time, and we can spot what we think the shortcoming of players are, obviously if players can work on their shortcomings and overcome them, so much the better for the player AND the team. For a player to think he deserves a jersey, that's just not going to go down well with anyone, just keep on working and FORCE the coach to pick you, even if you think the coach is not interested in you. At the moment the players in the Lions side that are forcing the coach to pick them, are Marnus Schoeman, Vincent Tshituka, Len Massyn and Tyrone Green.

If all 23 played with the effort of those 4, it would be spectacular. Anyway, it would never be in the interest of a coach to NOT pick a player that is forcing himself into the team, and by forcing himself into the team, I mean by showing the effort of the 4 players I mentioned
The other thing to remember is that because we speculate here about something, it just remains that: speculation. The source , which is a well known rugby writer mentioned that there was speculation among players that Simelane did not complete the necessary work in die pre season, and that is mostly what we are speculating about. You would agree that if this was in fact true, the player does not appear to have acted very professionally.
My question further is do the guys who are currently in the team really deserve to just be dropped just to make a place for these talented youngsters? Do you now pick Mcbeth ahead of Dylan Smith and Sti Sithole, just because he is talented? What has Matthews done wrong to deserve to be dropped? When we were under pressure, he and Kriel stood their ground on defence. I agree talent should be developed, but remember the coach also has some performance targets he needs to meet, in order for him to retain his job. The talented youngsters will get a chance, as long as they keep working hard and maintain the right mindset.


Posted By: L13
Date Posted: 11-Feb-2020 at 9:46am
I 100% agree that effort outweighs talent. Ackermann and Swys proved that when they took "rejects" from the bulls and sharks and made us Super Rugby finalists.

My point with the youngsters I mentioned was more about planning and road-mapping. You see it in New Zealand all the time - talented youngster in year 1 is in the squad, learning the ropes with a few games off the bench, year 2 - he's on the bench and starting a few games, year 3 - he's rotating with the starter and year 4 he is the starter and a new youngster joins the system. That way the team is moving the "old" player on and plan correctly. Youngsters also understand where they are and feel like they are part of the plan. 

In SA we seem to be desperate to hang on to guys to the point where we are still negotiating with guys for next season long after the current season ended.

Last year for example - we all knew Mapoe was going (actually as much as I really like him - it looked like a season too many at times last season), but how many games did his replacement start? Did we even know who would be our outside center this season? We knew Marx would be on sabbatical yet how many games did Jansen start?


Posted By: Niela
Date Posted: 11-Feb-2020 at 9:54am
Originally posted by L13 L13 wrote:

I 100% agree that effort outweighs talent. Ackermann and Swys proved that when they took "rejects" from the bulls and sharks and made us Super Rugby finalists.

My point with the youngsters I mentioned was more about planning and road-mapping. You see it in New Zealand all the time - talented youngster in year 1 is in the squad, learning the ropes with a few games off the bench, year 2 - he's on the bench and starting a few games, year 3 - he's rotating with the starter and year 4 he is the starter and a new youngster joins the system. That way the team is moving the "old" player on and plan correctly. Youngsters also understand where they are and feel like they are part of the plan. 

In SA we seem to be desperate to hang on to guys to the point where we are still negotiating with guys for next season long after the current season ended.

Last year for example - we all knew Mapoe was going (actually as much as I really like him - it looked like a season too many at times last season), but how many games did his replacement start? Did we even know who would be our outside center this season? We knew Marx would be on sabbatical yet how many games did Jansen start?

Planning is critical , but its a different issue. Attitude vs Ability is the issue here. I will always pick attitude first . If players both have a good attitude, only then I will look at ability and pick that guy.

Sure , circumstances , pr lack of game time could create attitude issues, but that is were a player is tested and needs to past that character test . It happens to all of us in work as well, you are tested, but some fail and others stand up



Posted By: emiel1
Date Posted: 11-Feb-2020 at 11:05am
Originally posted by L13 L13 wrote:

I 100% agree that effort outweighs talent. Ackermann and Swys proved that when they took "rejects" from the bulls and sharks and made us Super Rugby finalists.

My point with the youngsters I mentioned was more about planning and road-mapping. You see it in New Zealand all the time - talented youngster in year 1 is in the squad, learning the ropes with a few games off the bench, year 2 - he's on the bench and starting a few games, year 3 - he's rotating with the starter and year 4 he is the starter and a new youngster joins the system. That way the team is moving the "old" player on and plan correctly. Youngsters also understand where they are and feel like they are part of the plan. 

In SA we seem to be desperate to hang on to guys to the point where we are still negotiating with guys for next season long after the current season ended.

Last year for example - we all knew Mapoe was going (actually as much as I really like him - it looked like a season too many at times last season), but how many games did his replacement start? Did we even know who would be our outside center this season? We knew Marx would be on sabbatical yet how many games did Jansen start?

Think you touch on quite a few important points here. South African administrators have quite a few challenges that New Zealand administrators don't ( i.e. , a falling Rand that is bordering on banana currency status; political interference etc). But at the end of the day these are no excuses, they are in fact reasons for management to be pro active instead of re-active. Your point of having youngsters groomed alongside established veterans in a relatively stable environment instead of contracting rejects and injury prone old timers in their mid 30's on short notice to assist these youngsters is valid.


Posted By: monster
Date Posted: 11-Feb-2020 at 11:45am
Hy is n baie talentvolle speler .... ek hoop hulle sort die ding uit (as daar ooit n issue is) ek glo steeds hy gaan n ster word met die regte houding en harde werk ... hy moet beslis aan sy verdediging werk maar kom ons hoop hu word daai ster in n leeu trui.  Hoop nie hy word n Finn Russel nie


Posted By: Leeu1975
Date Posted: 21-May-2020 at 3:16pm
Ek lees op Rugby365 Simelane is ook in WP se visier!

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Posted By: Leeubok
Date Posted: 22-May-2020 at 7:20am
Originally posted by Leeu1975 Leeu1975 wrote:

Ek lees op Rugby365 Simelane is ook in WP se visier!

Het daai ook gesien ja. Kans is seker groot dat hy ook binnekort gaan waai. Hy het nognie baie vir ons begin nie so is seker nie 'n te groot verlies nie, maar hy het potensiaal om 'n baie goeie speler te word. Dis een ding om sterre wat al jare lank vir jou speel te verloor, maar wane jou jong talent ook waai is da probleme..


Posted By: Niela
Date Posted: 22-May-2020 at 9:21am
Die stormers het Gelant ook gekoop sien ek.






Posted By: Vaal Leeu 3
Date Posted: 26-May-2020 at 9:26am
Ek lees die week Kolisi het ook al vir Simelani gebel en met hom gesels om Wp toe te skuif. Daar was in verlede groot ophef van Simelani gemaak maar hy het my nog nie baie beindruk nie. Ja hy speel min maar mis ek iets, is die man so goed soos wat dit klink maar nie lyk nie?


Posted By: Transvaal
Date Posted: 26-May-2020 at 9:34am
Daar is te veel gerugte van hoe ongelukkig hy is, hy moet eerder gaan


Posted By: L13
Date Posted: 26-May-2020 at 9:48am
I still think we are making a massive mistake if he walks away. He is one of the best in the world in his age range. There is all this talk about "bad attitude", "fitness" and "defense" -  I don't buy these stories. I don't think he would have got this far if these are genuine issues. Also defense is a skill - it can be worked on and improved. He's certainly not going to improve sitting in the stands.

I think there is a lot of unhappiness from his side with the union. He feels (rightly or wrongly) that he should he the starting 13. I suspect that there is reluctance from the coaching team to have a 22 year old as the starting 13 with an unsettled and inexperienced back-line (again rightly or wrongly).

I really hope we can hang onto him and the likes of Dayimani (who I think is also frustrated with game time). Madosh and now Green leaving really hurt a lot and I'm almost resigned to seeing Simelane leave, closely followed by Dayimani and the likes of McBeth and Ntlabakanye.


Posted By: WitBoer
Date Posted: 26-May-2020 at 10:22am
It is really starting to feel like the Lions of old... Players leaving as soon as they get a chance, team under performing, worst SA team, low morale, etc. etc. etc.... What happened? How did we get here from the highs of 2017 within 3 years? 
Lets be honest, we will not be winning any silverware soon and with all our young stars leaving, I can't be optimistic about the future... Fine, I can accept that one player might have an attitude and discipline issue, but what about the others? Green, Vermaak, Marx, Venter, Tambwe... 
Look at the Bulls, they appointed a world class coach, contracting players with alot of potential and some big names, maybe they have the money, but look at the Stormers... According to reports the last couple of months, they are also battling financially, yet they are able to keep their best players and lure others South...
Ive got a weird feeling of deja vu.


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Posted By: Leeubok
Date Posted: 26-May-2020 at 10:41am
Originally posted by WitBoer WitBoer wrote:

It is really starting to feel like the Lions of old... Players leaving as soon as they get a chance, team under performing, worst SA team, low morale, etc. etc. etc.... What happened? How did we get here from the highs of 2017 within 3 years? 
Lets be honest, we will not be winning any silverware soon and with all our young stars leaving, I can't be optimistic about the future... Fine, I can accept that one player might have an attitude and discipline issue, but what about the others? Green, Vermaak, Marx, Venter, Tambwe... 
Look at the Bulls, they appointed a world class coach, contracting players with alot of potential and some big names, maybe they have the money, but look at the Stormers... According to reports the last couple of months, they are also battling financially, yet they are able to keep their best players and lure others South...
Ive got a weird feeling of deja vu.

Ek voel dieselfde as jy. 

Net vir interessantheid. Wat is die beste span wat ons tans in die veld kan stoot as Super rugby nou weer sou begin?


Posted By: gertjie0000
Date Posted: 26-May-2020 at 10:50am
15. Gianni Lombard as hy reg is
14. Skosan
13. Simlane
12. Kriel
11. Jamba Ulengo
10. Jantjies
9. Ross
8. Dayimane
7. Rudolf Smith
6. Kriel
5. Orie
4. Ruben Schoeman
3. Carlu Sadie
2. Jan Henning Campher
1. Dylan Smith



Posted By: Leeubok
Date Posted: 26-May-2020 at 11:13am
Originally posted by gertjie0000 gertjie0000 wrote:

15. Gianni Lombard as hy reg is
14. Skosan
13. Simlane
12. Kriel
11. Jamba Ulengo
10. Jantjies
9. Ross
8. Dayimane
7. Rudolf Smith
6. Kriel
5. Orie
4. Ruben Schoeman
3. Carlu Sadie
2. Jan Henning Campher
1. Dylan Smith


Wel, Simelane gaan nou heel moontlik waai. En daar was praatjies dat Elton ook oppad is, maar vir nou kan ons seker aanneem hy is nog beskikbaar. Dit is maar 'n baie average span daai in my opinie. 


Posted By: Vaal Leeu 3
Date Posted: 26-May-2020 at 1:07pm
Originally posted by Leeubok Leeubok wrote:

Originally posted by gertjie0000 gertjie0000 wrote:

15. Gianni Lombard as hy reg is
14. Skosan
13. Simlane
12. Kriel
11. Jamba Ulengo
10. Jantjies
9. Ross
8. Dayimane
7. Rudolf Smith
6. Kriel
5. Orie
4. Ruben Schoeman
3. Carlu Sadie
2. Jan Henning Campher
1. Dylan Smith


Wel, Simelane gaan nou heel moontlik waai. En daar was praatjies dat Elton ook oppad is, maar vir nou kan ons seker aanneem hy is nog beskikbaar. Dit is maar 'n baie average span daai in my opinie. 
Baie weak op 2, 5, 12. Moeilikheid as Elton seerkry. Dalk ma beter om dstv af te sit


Posted By: Leeubok
Date Posted: 26-May-2020 at 1:34pm
Ek sal eerder kyk hoeveel van ons spelers is bok gehalte en sal in ander spanne instap. Smith en Sadie is goed, alhoewel hul tot dusver sonder Marx maar gesukkel het. Kriel weet ons almal is goed, Elton op sy dag en Skosan was baie goed voor sy besering. Gertjie het dalk vergeet van Alberts, dink mens moet hom ook maar noem. 

Res van die ouens sal nie sommer by enige van die ander 3 SA spanne as 1ste keuse speler instap nie.


Posted By: gertjie0000
Date Posted: 26-May-2020 at 2:25pm
Ek stem saam julle Leeubok, ek glo as ons wel vir Odendaal, Visagie en Divan Rossouw by die Bulle kan kry sal ons verseker al beter lyk, ek dink eending wat Jake doen wat ek dink vir hulle baie gaan beteken is hy soek 'n domineerende pak voorspelers dit is tog waar dit begin


Posted By: Niela
Date Posted: 26-May-2020 at 8:45pm
looks like Visagie wants a new home after the bulls bought a new hooker today.

I watched the 2016/2017 and 2018 finals 2 weeks ago (lockdown) . We lost soooo many players.

But the real eye opener for me was when I saw our 2017 supersport challenge side (that lots to griekwas in the semi final)

Xerox Golden Lions XV: Jaco van der Walt, Madosh Tambwe, Jan-Louis la Grange, Jarryd Sage, Anthony Volmink, Shaun Reynolds, Dillon Smit, Jano Venter (captain), Fabian Booysen, James Venter, Marvin Orie, Bobby de Wee, Justin Ackerman, Robbie Coetzee, Sti Sithole. 

Replacements: Pieter Jansen, Pieter Scholtz, Rhyno Herbst, Hacjivah Dayimani, Marco Jansen van Vuren, Rohan Janse van Rensburg, Ashlon Davids.


Put Elton at 10 and sadie at 3 and this side will probably beat our current S15 team. 



Posted By: Red_Machine
Date Posted: 26-May-2020 at 10:17pm
Originally posted by Vaal Leeu 3 Vaal Leeu 3 wrote:

Ek lees die week Kolisi het ook al vir Simelani gebel en met hom gesels om Wp toe te skuif. Daar was in verlede groot ophef van Simelani gemaak maar hy het my nog nie baie beindruk nie. Ja hy speel min maar mis ek iets, is die man so goed soos wat dit klink maar nie lyk nie?
doesn't surprise me that Kolisi is doing that, I question his class, sportsmanship and general ethics


Posted By: Leeubok
Date Posted: 27-May-2020 at 7:18am
Originally posted by Niela Niela wrote:

looks like Visagie wants a new home after the bulls bought a new hooker today.

I watched the 2016/2017 and 2018 finals 2 weeks ago (lockdown) . We lost soooo many players.

But the real eye opener for me was when I saw our 2017 supersport challenge side (that lots to griekwas in the semi final)

Xerox Golden Lions XV: Jaco van der Walt, Madosh Tambwe, Jan-Louis la Grange, Jarryd Sage, Anthony Volmink, Shaun Reynolds, Dillon Smit, Jano Venter (captain), Fabian Booysen, James Venter, Marvin Orie, Bobby de Wee, Justin Ackerman, Robbie Coetzee, Sti Sithole. 

Replacements: Pieter Jansen, Pieter Scholtz, Rhyno Herbst, Hacjivah Dayimani, Marco Jansen van Vuren, Rohan Janse van Rensburg, Ashlon Davids.


Put Elton at 10 and sadie at 3 and this side will probably beat our current S15 team. 


Wow, you're right, I doubt our current team would be able to beat this one! Our first problem is that we don't have too many international quality players to start off with. Second problem is we have no depth. We don't have a B team full of promising youngsters or guys unlucky to miss out on a starting berth. Even the promising youngsters are leaving left right and center.



Posted By: L13
Date Posted: 27-May-2020 at 10:28am
Stormers have a coach that the players love playing for and are prepared to stay (and join) despite the financial situation. Sharks seem to have created a great atmosphere and have a vision players are buying into (enough to turn down 9 mill a year). Bulls have JW and as decisive as he is, players want to play under him as he has star appeal.

We used to have that cultural and atmosphere which the players still talk about...but I am struggling to believe it is still there given how guys are jumping ship.

Really hope it isn't a repeat of the Lions of old - exciting to watch but no end product and players with any talent jump ship at the first chance - especially if they have any hope of being a Bok (Alberts, Ludik, Mujati, Van Heerdan, G. Mostert, Vermaak...) 

Good news is that all of our problems are fixable, get a coaching team guys want to play for and rebuild the culture (Sharks did it in 1 year).


Posted By: vdwestjo
Date Posted: 27-May-2020 at 11:44am
Hopelik is vlge artikel waar in beeld:

https://www.netwerk24.com/Sport/Rugby/leeus-glo-nog-hul-kan-bok-breker-marx-behou-20200527" rel="nofollow - https://www.netwerk24.com/Sport/Rugby/leeus-glo-nog-hul-kan-bok-breker-marx-behou-20200527


Klink of Marx tog wel by Lions wil bly en dit meer 'n agent issue is dat hy net 'n kommissie wil verdien met Marx se skuif na Japan


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Posted By: gertjie0000
Date Posted: 27-May-2020 at 12:13pm
Ja ek het ook die artikel gelees en dit klink verseker asof dit sy agent is wat geld probeer maak uit n deal oorsee terwyl Marx hier wil bly en Rudolf klink positief dat hy moontlik by die leeus kan bly, en dat ons besig is oet onderhandelinge met bulle spelers hy oraat van ons kyk na n senter, slot en flank on die span te versterk sal great wees as Malcolm kan bly sal baie vir ons beteken in die cc en volgende jaar


Posted By: valie
Date Posted: 27-May-2020 at 5:15pm
Originally posted by vdwestjo vdwestjo wrote:

Hopelik is vlge artikel waar in beeld:

https://www.netwerk24.com/Sport/Rugby/leeus-glo-nog-hul-kan-bok-breker-marx-behou-20200527" rel="nofollow - https://www.netwerk24.com/Sport/Rugby/leeus-glo-nog-hul-kan-bok-breker-marx-behou-20200527


Klink of Marx tog wel by Lions wil bly en dit meer 'n agent issue is dat hy net 'n kommissie wil verdien met Marx se skuif na Japan
Agente is partykeer die groot sondebokke. Ek hoop regtig Marx bly.


Posted By: valie
Date Posted: 27-May-2020 at 5:33pm
Originally posted by Niela Niela wrote:

looks like Visagie wants a new home after the bulls bought a new hooker today.

I watched the 2016/2017 and 2018 finals 2 weeks ago (lockdown) . We lost soooo many players.

But the real eye opener for me was when I saw our 2017 supersport challenge side (that lots to griekwas in the semi final)

Xerox Golden Lions XV: Jaco van der Walt, Madosh Tambwe, Jan-Louis la Grange, Jarryd Sage, Anthony Volmink, Shaun Reynolds, Dillon Smit, Jano Venter (captain), Fabian Booysen, James Venter, Marvin Orie, Bobby de Wee, Justin Ackerman, Robbie Coetzee, Sti Sithole. 

Replacements: Pieter Jansen, Pieter Scholtz, Rhyno Herbst, Hacjivah Dayimani, Marco Jansen van Vuren, Rohan Janse van Rensburg, Ashlon Davids.


Put Elton at 10 and sadie at 3 and this side will probably beat our current S15 team. 

Wel, dis hoog tyd dat ons luck draai.

As al die rumours waar is (oor Marx wat dalk bly en Dryer wat oppad terug is), en Warren herstel van sy besering (ek weet dis dalk wensdenkery, maar mens mag seker droom), kan ons n groep in die veld stoot wat as volg lyk:

15. Boeboes, Tiaan Swanepoel, Divan Rossouw
14. Ulengo, February, Nkabinde
13. Simelane, Matthews, Van der Schyff
12. Dan Kriel, Manny Rass, James Mollentze
11. Skosan, Pienaar
10. Elton, Lombard, (Mollentze kan ook op 10 speel)
9. Ross, Dillon, Warner, Krappie
8. Warren, Dayimane, Francke Horn
7. Vincent, Massyn, De Villiers
6. Kriel, Schoeman, Smit, Daai junior Bok flank
5. Orie (gaan hy nog weg?), Nothnagel, van der Sluys
4. Alberts, Schoeman, Herbst
3. Sadie, Dryer, Jannie, van Wyk, Daai skool laaitie van Monnas
2. Marx, Visagie, Campher, Jansen, Botha, Dameon Venter
1. Dylan, Sithole, Macbeth

Ek weet hier is seker nog ouens wat gaan waai, en weer ander wat gaan inkom, maar as ons vir Dryer, Marx, Jaco Kriel en Warren terug het in ons pak, kan dit vir ons n massive boost wees.


Posted By: gertjie0000
Date Posted: 27-May-2020 at 6:25pm
Valie met so groep lyk dit stukke beter en ons besig met Odendaal ook so hy kan moontlik op 12 bykom hy is vir my n uitstekende senter en sal ook n groot aanwins wees as daai groep net so kan wees met Odendaal by lyk ons eweskielik baie sterk


Posted By: valie
Date Posted: 27-May-2020 at 8:00pm
Weet iemand of Mostert by Gloucester bly, of gaan hy ook Japan toe? Hy was vir baie lank een van ons heel beste spelers op die veld, en ek sal dit baie like as hy sou besluit om terug te kom.


Posted By: Vaal Leeu 3
Date Posted: 27-May-2020 at 8:14pm
Valie, vroeer die week is daar berig hy gaan Japan toe. Dink nie hy kom gou terug nie


Posted By: valie
Date Posted: 27-May-2020 at 8:54pm
Originally posted by Vaal Leeu 3 Vaal Leeu 3 wrote:

Valie, vroeer die week is daar berig hy gaan Japan toe. Dink nie hy kom gou terug nie
O, ja, ek wou my so iets verbeel, maar ek was nie seker nie. Dankie.


Posted By: gertjie0000
Date Posted: 28-May-2020 at 6:28am
Ja ek lees op rugby365 Simelane gaan nog twee jaar by die leeus speel dit is nog nie bevestig nie


Posted By: Vaal Leeu 3
Date Posted: 28-May-2020 at 7:13am
Ek bevraagteken altyd so speler se motivering maar soos die artikel noem het hy ambisie om vir Bokke te speel so hopelik shape hy. En dan is dit lekker om vir Dobson en Kolise n pit te druk...Wink


Posted By: Leeubok
Date Posted: 28-May-2020 at 7:22am
Ek weet darem nie. As die ou nie daar wil wees nie, gaan hy regtig sy beste gee en inpas by die span gees?

Maar aan die ander kant is dit goed dat die GLRU nie net toelaat dat spelers links en regs waai sonder 'n fight nie. 


Posted By: valie
Date Posted: 28-May-2020 at 8:07am
Originally posted by Leeubok Leeubok wrote:

Ek weet darem nie. As die ou nie daar wil wees nie, gaan hy regtig sy beste gee en inpas by die span gees?

Maar aan die ander kant is dit goed dat die GLRU nie net toelaat dat spelers links en regs waai sonder 'n fight nie. 
Ek is ook bly dat ons vir n slag fight om ons spelers te behou. Voordat ons vir Strauli gehad het, het dit vir my gevoel ons spelers en hulle agente steur hulle nie aan kontrakte nie. Ons kontrakte was voorheen moontlik swak bewoord, met onnodige loopholes wat geensins die unie se belange beskerm het nie. Dis een van die goed wat Streauli, n gekwlifiseerde prokureur, uitgesort het.


Posted By: Niela
Date Posted: 28-May-2020 at 8:20am
Ek sien Joey is nou Bulle toe , 


Posted By: Red_Machine
Date Posted: 28-May-2020 at 8:22am
Originally posted by Niela Niela wrote:

Ek sien Joey is nou Bulle toe , 
I'm sure all the women are nervous 


Posted By: Leeubok
Date Posted: 28-May-2020 at 9:18am
Originally posted by Red_Machine Red_Machine wrote:

Originally posted by Niela Niela wrote:

Ek sien Joey is nou Bulle toe , 
I'm sure all the women are nervous 

Ooh! LOL


Posted By: L13
Date Posted: 28-May-2020 at 12:25pm
A bit harsh on someone cleared in a court of law. 


Posted By: Transvaal
Date Posted: 28-May-2020 at 12:37pm
Leeus het nou hierdie op twitter gepost:

We are proud to announce the signing of the following players: - Wandisile Simelane (extended his contract until 2022) - Divan Rossouw (Vodacom Bulls) - Jordan Hendrikse (Maties U21)


Posted By: vdwestjo
Date Posted: 28-May-2020 at 12:43pm
Straeuli doen nog steeds great werk by die Lions. Solank hy by Lions bly het ek nog volle vertroue in die Lions bestuur. Sal veral great wees as hy ook Marx en Ruan teken soos berig word. Straeuli as administrateur het nie sy gelyke in SA rugby

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Posted By: Vaal Leeu 3
Date Posted: 28-May-2020 at 1:58pm
Dinge begin rerig beter lyk. Mens kry amper weer hoop...


Posted By: gertjie0000
Date Posted: 28-May-2020 at 2:48pm
- Jordan Hendrikse (Maties U21)

Wie van julle manne weet iets van hom nog nooit van hom gehoor of gesien speel nie?


Posted By: LION@SEA
Date Posted: 28-May-2020 at 2:52pm
https://bereamail.co.za/238025/21tgglenwood/" rel="nofollow - https://bereamail.co.za/238025/21tgglenwood/

Sien ons 3 ouens geteken van Glenwood, hy is een van hulle.

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Posted By: Niela
Date Posted: 28-May-2020 at 3:44pm
Originally posted by Vaal Leeu 3 Vaal Leeu 3 wrote:

Dinge begin rerig beter lyk. Mens kry amper weer hoop...

3 signings en jy het hoop ?

Ons kort decent slotte en backup vir Marx en ek sal bietjie meet opgewonde raak 


Posted By: LION@SEA
Date Posted: 28-May-2020 at 4:13pm
Dit lyk darem al beter, Marx gaan groot verskil maak aan die pak saam Jaco en Willem. Ruan sal ook verseker n aanwins wees, maar stem ons groot probleem is maar slotte.

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Hannes


Posted By: LeeuBrul
Date Posted: 28-May-2020 at 5:36pm
Originally posted by Niela Niela wrote:

Originally posted by Vaal Leeu 3 Vaal Leeu 3 wrote:

Dinge begin rerig beter lyk. Mens kry amper weer hoop...

3 signings en jy het hoop ?

Ons kort decent slotte en backup vir Marx en ek sal bietjie meet opgewonde raak 

Daai Gouws mannetjie lyk na n bul van n speler en net 18


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Once a Lion always a lion


Posted By: Vaal Leeu 3
Date Posted: 28-May-2020 at 5:42pm
Begin van week het ons net mense verloor,,,


Posted By: WitBoer
Date Posted: 29-May-2020 at 10:48am
Originally posted by L13 L13 wrote:

A bit harsh on someone cleared in a court of law. 
No one disputed the fact that he took a lady's hand and put it on his crotch... And yet he is trying to act as if he is a "God fearing" christian and husband... Makes me think he is a little hypocritical ...


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"Believe nothing, No matter where you read it, Or who has said it, Not even if I have said it, Unless it agrees with your own reason And your own common sense" - Buddha


Posted By: valie
Date Posted: 29-May-2020 at 1:47pm
Originally posted by WitBoer WitBoer wrote:

Originally posted by L13 L13 wrote:

A bit harsh on someone cleared in a court of law. 
No one disputed the fact that he took a lady's hand and put it on his crotch... And yet he is trying to act as if he is a "God fearing" christian and husband... Makes me think he is a little hypocritical ...
Ek ken nou nie al die ins en outs van die saak nie, maar is dit nie presies dit wat hy ge "dispute" het, en van vrygespreek is nie? Of was daar dalk iets anders? Ek vra omdat ek nie weet nie.


Posted By: gertjie0000
Date Posted: 29-May-2020 at 3:51pm
Ek sien Swys se die leeus moet vir Simelane heelagter speel


Posted By: L13
Date Posted: 29-May-2020 at 5:28pm
As far as I know, he was acquitted on all charges. Unless others know more about the case... 

I'd hate to be in a position where I'm cleared of wrong doing but people still judge me.


Posted By: Paul
Date Posted: 30-May-2020 at 8:29am
@Transvaal
More more, wil net weet of daar enige nuus dalk is oor Kwagga. Daai storie is doodstil, dink jy ons het hom verloor?


Posted By: gertjie0000
Date Posted: 30-May-2020 at 9:44am
Paul sal ook graag wil weet, dalk omdat hy nog hiks bekend gemaak het nie is dalk omdat hy nog sy opsies oorweeg sal great wees as hy by leeus bly, dan moet marx en dreyer ook net weer teken by leeus dan is my jaar gemaak


Posted By: Niela
Date Posted: 30-May-2020 at 11:37am
we need locks !!!!


Posted By: Transvaal
Date Posted: 30-May-2020 at 1:09pm
Ek dink Kwagga is Japan toe



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