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okay, vals hoop, 29-17 is die eindtelling
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Voel en lyk of ons terug is in 2011... bitter min om oor positief te wees.
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Daai 3 driee van die Tahs in die eerste 19 minute het ons seker gekelder...maar ons het ook baie keer op die aanval verkeerde besluite geneem, ten minste 2 of 3 driee vermors
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Al sou ons coach die ref wees en vir ons 10 strafkoppe gee, sal ons nie wen nie, swak op die aanval, swak op verdediging, en ek sou nie se die Warathas het ons voor gedomineer nie dit was maar baie gelyk voor.
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Het sopas ok vir iemand anders gese die sirkus leeus van 2011 is terug. Daar is rerig iets fout, die issues, foute, dom en slordige spel ens van laasjaar se CC het net so oorgedra. Ek dink rerig ons het moeilik in die coaching hoekie. Ja ons het baie spelers verloor maar ek is bereid om te wed dat n span soos die Crusaders, Hurricanes ens nie so baie sou verswak na hulle spelers verloor nie...
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Stem vaal leeu al wat die ouens moet doen is die basics dan is dit al n goeie begin maar ons aanval coach dink ek ook is te onervare
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Ek het nog niks teen Cash nie. Die unie was nie bereid om 'n afrigter met ondervinding in te bring nie, so wat het ons anders verwag? 
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Ons is kak swak niks game plan ...Cash is the same age of most of our senior players .....our defence coach is Erasmus but also not there yet,was a school coach....we need a coach other wise all this talent will end up by the sharks or stormers 
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Originally posted by WitBoer WitBoer wrote:

Ek het nog niks teen Cash nie. Die unie was nie bereid om 'n afrigter met ondervinding in te bring nie, so wat het ons anders verwag? 
Daar slaan jy die spyker op die kop. Dis my gevoel ook.

Die unie se ringkoppe en die span van 20 afrigters gaan hul gatte in rat moet kry, want ek het 100% toewyding van al die spelers gesien vandag.
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Originally posted by Vaal Leeu 3 Vaal Leeu 3 wrote:

Het sopas ok vir iemand anders gese die sirkus leeus van 2011 is terug. Daar is rerig iets fout, die issues, foute, dom en slordige spel ens van laasjaar se CC het net so oorgedra. Ek dink rerig ons het moeilik in die coaching hoekie. Ja ons het baie spelers verloor maar ek is bereid om te wed dat n span soos die Crusaders, Hurricanes ens nie so baie sou verswak na hulle spelers verloor nie...
Ja ai. Ons is almal die gewone ou op straat en ons kon toe al sien wat moet verbeter/ verander. En nou neek hul net aan.
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Volgens die stats was Green vandag een van die groot sondebokke met missed tackles, lyk of hy 6 gemis het
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Originally posted by Transvaal Transvaal wrote:

Volgens die stats was Green vandag een van die groot sondebokke met missed tackles, lyk of hy 6 gemis het
Sy opskiet/ probeer onderskep verdediging was 'n groot issue vandag. Ek voel steeds hy sal beter wees op 15.
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Soos ek julle manne verstaan het het Tshikuka 'n goeie game gahad hulle moes dink ek vir Alberts eerder op slot opgebring het of wat dink julle manne ons sou steeds seker nie gewen het nie maar dink ons coaches as ervare genoeg met sulke calls nie
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 Angus Gardner het veral in die eerste helfte n paar lelike blapse gemaak, veral by die skrums en rucks. Hulle val oor die bal en ons word gestraf vir onkant.....
Ons het jittery gelyk in meeste afdelings behalwe lynstane.
Ek wonder hoevvel games dit gaan vat vir die ouens wat laasjaar Joey se kop geeis het, om Sean Erasmus se kop te eis......
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Originally posted by gertjie0000 gertjie0000 wrote:

Soos ek julle manne verstaan het het Tshikuka 'n goeie game gahad hulle moes dink ek vir Alberts eerder op slot opgebring het of wat dink julle manne ons sou steeds seker nie gewen het nie maar dink ons coaches as ervare genoeg met sulke calls nie
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Originally posted by Transvaal Transvaal wrote:

Volgens die stats was Green vandag een van die groot sondebokke met missed tackles, lyk of hy 6 gemis het
So dus is dit duidelik dat ons verdedigings sisteem ons vleuels ontbloot. Daar was n paar keer dat Greene teen 2 of 3 manne moes verdedig. Ons lynspoed is goed , maar daar is geen scramble defence nie.
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Om iemand wat twee jaar terug nog skole rugby afgerig het in 'n internasionale kompitisie 'n onervare span te help afrig is belaglik, maar Joey en de Bruyn (aanvalsafrigter) is ook belaglike aanstellings.
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Originally posted by WitBoer WitBoer wrote:

Ek het nog niks teen Cash nie. Die unie was nie bereid om 'n afrigter met ondervinding in te bring nie, so wat het ons anders verwag? 
Cash het ondervinding. Hy is al baie jare deel van die afrigtingspan.
Geen afrigter gaan suksesvol wees as jy in 3 jaar se tyd 14 springbokke verloor nie.
Ons was naief op defense, en Gardner het n paar blapse by die skrums en rucks begaan.
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Originally posted by valie valie wrote:

Originally posted by WitBoer WitBoer wrote:

Ek het nog niks teen Cash nie. Die unie was nie bereid om 'n afrigter met ondervinding in te bring nie, so wat het ons anders verwag? 
Cash het ondervinding. Hy is al baie jare deel van die afrigtingspan.
Geen afrigter gaan suksesvol wees as jy in 3 jaar se tyd 14 springbokke verloor nie.
Ons was naief op defense, en Gardner het n paar blapse by die skrums en rucks begaan.

Ek gaan vanaand nog die game kyk , maar ek wonder of dit nie n geval is van te veel chefs in die kitchen is nie.

Ek weet nie of die ouens altyd weet wat om te doen en vir wie om te luister nie , so hulle doen alles nou so bietjie bietjie. 

Die ander ding , as ons 8 coaches het , kry elke coach 1/8 van die span tyd of nie ? Ek sou Se defense is 50% van die spel en Moet 50% van die aandag kry. 

Maar ons het n scrum , line out en breakdown coach , is dit defending of attacking. 

Klink na basics , maar ek weet nie wat is ons approach nie 
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Originally posted by Attie Karate Attie Karate wrote:

Wat is die feite tans?

Spanne speel swakker na hul loslootjie.
Spanne sukkel om te wen op toer.
Die Leeus se vaste fasette is nie op standaard.

Gevolgtrekking...

Gebaseer op hierdie feite glo ek die Leeus gaan wen met 30.


Tikfout, Waratahs met 30LOLWink
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I watched the game now. 

Hmmmm, 

Poor defense was the biggest thing. 4 tries on our defensive left side of the field. Looks like structural issues there. The scramble was also poor.

Our attack looked okay , but we were chasing the game . In minute 54 , we had an overlap and should have scored , instead kriel held on to long , we lost the ball and they scored. That’s a spirit breaker.

Schoeman was mindless striking simmonds in the face. 

The late tackle against Elton could have been red. 

Line outs looked much better
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It is really hard to find positives or even to see this getting better. It isn't like final passes aren't going to hand and you think ok, a few more weeks and those passes will stick; or there are a bunch of players injured and you think it will be better when they are back. This isn't bad luck, biased refs or temporary form. In fact it can only get worse with injuries.

Phase play was again predictable, one off runners from standing starts with little support. Scrums were a strength now not so much. Backs hardly get the ball in space and have to run into traffic. Tackles are missed all over the place. Subs seem to be decided before the game, come on too late and make hardly any impact. The only 3 positives I saw were 1. lineouts were massively improved (Campher seemed better at hitting the right man but it could also be extra training or luck); 2. scrums were not the walking penalty they have been - although they still weren't great and 3. Dayimani brought energy that brought others into the game (could have been the Tahs were just tired by that point).

We look like an invitational team who have had a couple of training sessions and are only scoring any tries because they are good players, not because of any plan or coaching. The job of a coach is to make a team better than the sum of their parts - though coaching, tactics and motivation. Right now we have a solid team on paper that is massively under performing. Every game is making it painfully clear that we are badly coached and our coaches way out of their depth.

It is going to be a very, very, very long season at this rate. I would rather watch a team of Campher, Sadie, Alberts, Dayimani, Van Den Berg, Jantjies, Skosan, Rass, Simelane and Green (at fullback) because they would play exciting rugby win or lose.

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Also why have a big, heavy winger like Ulengo in your side if you never give him a chance to run at this opposite number? It is no good having him run into traffic or pinned on the touchline running at 2 or 3 defenders because he could weigh 200kg and still wouldn't break the line.
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Well said, agreed.

I still can't believe we didn't even get a BP. Ouch
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Originally posted by L13 L13 wrote:

It is really hard to find positives or even to see this getting better. It isn't like final passes aren't going to hand and you think ok, a few more weeks and those passes will stick; or there are a bunch of players injured and you think it will be better when they are back. This isn't bad luck, biased refs or temporary form. In fact it can only get worse with injuries.

Phase play was again predictable, one off runners from standing starts with little support. Scrums were a strength now not so much. Backs hardly get the ball in space and have to run into traffic. Tackles are missed all over the place. Subs seem to be decided before the game, come on too late and make hardly any impact. The only 3 positives I saw were 1. lineouts were massively improved (Campher seemed better at hitting the right man but it could also be extra training or luck); 2. scrums were not the walking penalty they have been - although they still weren't great and 3. Dayimani brought energy that brought others into the game (could have been the Tahs were just tired by that point).

We look like an invitational team who have had a couple of training sessions and are only scoring any tries because they are good players, not because of any plan or coaching. The job of a coach is to make a team better than the sum of their parts - though coaching, tactics and motivation. Right now we have a solid team on paper that is massively under performing. Every game is making it painfully clear that we are badly coached and our coaches way out of their depth.

It is going to be a very, very, very long season at this rate. I would rather watch a team of Campher, Sadie, Alberts, Dayimani, Van Den Berg, Jantjies, Skosan, Rass, Simelane and Green (at fullback) because they would play exciting rugby win or lose.

#CASHMUSTGO
We have played four, won one which could've been 2 as I still feel we were let down by a referee decision against the Stormers (where Schickerling clearly swam around at that last lineout and should have been penalised), and you want to getrid of Cash?
In that case no coach will ever be good enough. Coaches dont miss tackles, lose ball in contact, kick the ball straight into the hands of the opposing fullback, or pre engage at scrum time. It's the players that need to get the blame for that. If there is one area of concern for me coaching wise, it is the defence. The past 2 years everyone wanted to crucify Joey Mongalo, because we leaked too many tries. Now we are leaking even more, and no one ever mentions Sean Erasmus. Instead people now want Cash to go?
We have lost a shitload of key players during the last 2 years, yet the suppirters expect the team to walk straight into the playoffs. Remember, it took Ackers & co. about 3 years before they reached the playoffs. We would also need about 3 years of continuity, to reach those hights again.
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