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    Posted: 09-Jul-2019 at 4:21pm
Hou in gedagte dat die onderhandelings venster tans oop is, en dat daar tans baie beweging in die mark is met unies en klubs wat tans kwaai agter ons senior sowel as junior spelers aan is. EK weet ook nie of dit enigsins erens in die kompetisie se reelboek staan dat n squad n sekere tyd moet aangekondig word nie.

Die leeus gaan altyd met die ekstra challenge sit van dat baie spelers eerder by die see wil gaan bly, al kry hulle minder geld.
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Originally posted by Transvaal Transvaal wrote:

Hou net in gedagte dat die unie nooit eers 'n Super Rugby squad aangekondig het hierdie jaar nie

Aan dit ook gedink.. Ai ons het darem maar agteruit gegaan. Dog ons is in die Pro-Era.. 
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Hou net in gedagte dat die unie nooit eers 'n Super Rugby squad aangekondig het hierdie jaar nie
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Originally posted by valie valie wrote:

Ouens Relax. Die unie kan nie die squad aankondig voordat al die onderhandelinge nie afgehandel is nie.

Huh? Langtermyn onderhandeling vir super rugby ja, maar sekerlik 3 dae voor jou 'n curriebeker wedstryd speel behoort jy te weet wie is beskikbaar en wie nie??
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Ouens Relax. Die unie kan nie die squad aankondig voordat al die onderhandelinge nie afgehandel is nie.
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Ek neem aan al die ander unies het hul squads aangekondig? Indien hul het is dit uiters swak van die leeus!
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The Currie cup starts in 3 days and our squad hasn't even been announced, shocking.

I know the competition is not what it used to be, but good grief.
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Originally posted by Paul Paul wrote:

weet iemand waneer ons groep bekend gemaak word vir die currie cup 

Klink my die unie weet nie ons speel die naweek nie .... soos genoem in n vorige pos van my ..... daar is weer baie aanduidings dat die unie min gepla is oor die CB ..... ons gaan weer onder gemiddeld wees (soos vorige 3 jaar)en weer n swak opbou tot 2020
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weet iemand waneer ons groep bekend gemaak word vir die currie cup 
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Originally posted by Transvaal Transvaal wrote:

We bid farewell to the following players:

Ruan Combrinck- was puik, maar kon nie weer dieselfde spelpeil bereik na sy besering. Groot verlies.

Robbie Coetzee- was altyd bestendig, maar het ñ paar dissiplinêre blapse op die veld gehad. Diepte op hakker is baie dun hy Leeus en in SA. Groot verlies.

Sylvian Mahuza- het altyd sy beste gegee, maar het tans te veel kompetisie in sy posisies. Sou kon doen met hom in diepte. Groot verlies.

Nic Groom- het sy bes gelewer, maar sy spelstyl het net nooit ingepas nie. Geen verlies.

Danie Mienie- het min tot geen impak gehad omdat hy amper nooit gespeel het. Geen verlies.

Robert Kruger- het hard gespeel en te min speelkans gekry. Was beslis belangrik vir diepte. Groot verlies.

Harold Vorster- puik speler, op en af in vorm soos alle spelers. Groot verlies.

Lionel Mapoe- een van ons beste spelers die afgelope paar jaar, maar raak ongelukkig nou lank in die tand. Groot verlies.

Stephan Lewies- het goed uitgehelp in ñ tyd waar Leeus ñ groot krisis op slot het, maar was net op kort termyn kontrak. Geen verlies.

Franco Naude- het hard probeer, maar nie genoeg gespeel om impak te maak. Eintlik sinneloos gewees nou dat ons kan terugkyk. Geen verlies
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The loss of experienced talent is a big problem. But I think the lack of quality coaching is a much bigger issue. A competent coaching staff can get the best out of a average team. The Lions under Johan Ackerman was an example. The Lions are now in the position where the majority of the coaching staff as well as the players come from junior ranks. Being once again demoted out of Super rugby in two or three years is not far fetched.
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Die vloei van talent (spelers en afrigters) uit SA het nou volwaardig ñ vloed geword. Ons het dit al jare terug voorspel. Die standaard van die afrigters en spelers beskikbaar vir hierdie jaar se Currie Cup is nie net belaglik nie, dis super-hartseer. En dis van toepassing op al die spanne, nie net die Leeus nie.
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Originally posted by Paul Paul wrote:

we are losing so many players but it seems like we are not filling those holes. Don't hear anything about new signings and we can't rely to much on our junior systems you still need experience. 
The problem is that there arent too many players with experience in the market, hence the negotiations with players like Ulengo. That is also the reason we used players like Groom and Lewies. 
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we are losing so many players but it seems like we are not filling those holes. Don't hear anything about new signings and we can't rely to much on our junior systems you still need experience. 
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We thought we had depth issues this year, things have gone from bad to worse .

My concern is that we had very few guys in the Bok u/20s squad and further to this UJ and Wits dont content for the varsity cup either.

is this a result of the new contracting system? Our rugby is under serious threat. 

And SARU thinks by paying the "BEST" Boks more , they will stay, well they wont. They will get greedy anyway and we will lose youngsters due to having limited contracts available
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Can anyone correct and/or fill in the gaps:

Ruan Combrinck - France 
Robbie Coetzee - ??
Sylvian Mahuza - ??
Nic Groom - England 
Danie Mienie - ??
Robert Kruger - ??
Harold Vorster - ??
Lionel Mapoe - France
Stephan Lewies - England 
Franco Naude - back to the bulls
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Originally posted by Goue Leeu Goue Leeu wrote:

Shoh.. ons het nou 'n probleem op senter.

As Louritz vd Schyff en Simelane een seisoen kan saamspeel sal ons niemand mis. Maar verseker bietjie probleme oor kort termyn.
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Shoh.. ons het nou 'n probleem op senter.
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Ok, so ons weet nou hoe die afrigtings span lyk, en watter spelers definitief NIE daar gaan wees nie. Sal nou graag die groep spelers wil sien wat beskikbaar gaan wees..
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Originally posted by Lion4ever Lion4ever wrote:

The Lions conducted their own investigation into the whole affair. They had a respected labour relations firm conduct the investigation and hearing. They followed the legal advice given to them. Case closed until after the appeal process has run its course. I don't condone sexual harassment, but with the info that I have, its not a clear cut case. 

How do we know how we will react in a pressure situation? We may handle different types of pressure differently, but we all have a breaking point and something gives. We never know how we will react until we are in those situations.
Yet the Lions only had one side of the story to go on... The Victim and the witnesses were not available for the "internal hearing". I highly doubt that an Australian court would have found him guilty if it was not, as you call it, a clear cut case...
Fact of the matter is, that he is a married man, representing his employer in a foreign country that made sexual advances to another woman... Solicited or not (court found that it was unsolicited), no professional person should make himself guilty of such behavior.
In my books, merely going to church on a Sunday and asking for forgiveness does not cut it. He should have been punished for his actions and not rewarded with a head coaching position...
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Originally posted by emiel1 emiel1 wrote:

Originally posted by Lion4ever Lion4ever wrote:

Originally posted by WitBoer WitBoer wrote:

Great man! So ons beloon ons veroordeelde seksuele misdadiger vir sy swak vertonings as verdedigingsafrigter met 'n o/21 hoofafrigter pos, en ons aanvalsafrigter wat ons aanval so goed gebrei het in Super Rugby word weer 'n salaris betaal om hom besig te hou tot Super Rugby 2020, sodat hy kan probeer om pappa geselskap te hou en moed in te praat op toer (veral oor Paasnaweek), sodat pappa nie weer 'n senuineenstroting kry nie... Ek bedoel, die ander unies is besig om te baklei om Neil as aanvalsafrigter aan te stel na die Leeus se uitnemende vertoning op die aanval die jaar...
Met die keuses wat ons unie deesdae maak wil ek amper begin dink daar is 'n "conspiracy" aan die gang om die unie te verwoes...
Again, Joey was a decent coach at age group level, winning the U19 CC in his first year, becoming assistant coach at the Junior Bokke. Can't be that bad as a coach. And his case is still on appeal. The Lions would not have kept him on if they felt he did not have a chance on his appeal. 
Have you ever coached rugby at SR level? Have you experienced that kind of pressure, irrespective of the final straw that broke the camel's back? These issue are not something to make fun of. 
The only thing I can agree with you on this post is that Niel has not been up to scratch as an attack coach.

We may be rugby fans, but certainly not fanatics that would cut corners on a moral issue such as this. 
Don't think someone like Louis Luyt would have been intimidated by any political pressure in similar situation. If memory serves me right, the Lions sacked someone a few years back for minor office sexual harassment.

Regarding coaching, who is responsible for selecting junior and school coaches into high pressure professional coaching positions? 
The Lions conducted their own investigation into the whole affair. They had a respected labour relations firm conduct the investigation and hearing. They followed the legal advice given to them. Case closed until after the appeal process has run its course. I don't condone sexual harassment, but with the info that I have, its not a clear cut case. 

How do we know how we will react in a pressure situation? We may handle different types of pressure differently, but we all have a breaking point and something gives. We never know how we will react until we are in those situations.
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Originally posted by Lion4ever Lion4ever wrote:

Originally posted by WitBoer WitBoer wrote:

Great man! So ons beloon ons veroordeelde seksuele misdadiger vir sy swak vertonings as verdedigingsafrigter met 'n o/21 hoofafrigter pos, en ons aanvalsafrigter wat ons aanval so goed gebrei het in Super Rugby word weer 'n salaris betaal om hom besig te hou tot Super Rugby 2020, sodat hy kan probeer om pappa geselskap te hou en moed in te praat op toer (veral oor Paasnaweek), sodat pappa nie weer 'n senuineenstroting kry nie... Ek bedoel, die ander unies is besig om te baklei om Neil as aanvalsafrigter aan te stel na die Leeus se uitnemende vertoning op die aanval die jaar...
Met die keuses wat ons unie deesdae maak wil ek amper begin dink daar is 'n "conspiracy" aan die gang om die unie te verwoes...
Again, Joey was a decent coach at age group level, winning the U19 CC in his first year, becoming assistant coach at the Junior Bokke. Can't be that bad as a coach. And his case is still on appeal. The Lions would not have kept him on if they felt he did not have a chance on his appeal. 
Have you ever coached rugby at SR level? Have you experienced that kind of pressure, irrespective of the final straw that broke the camel's back? These issue are not something to make fun of. 
The only thing I can agree with you on this post is that Niel has not been up to scratch as an attack coach.

We may be rugby fans, but certainly not fanatics that would cut corners on a moral issue such as this. 
Don't think someone like Louis Luyt would have been intimidated by any political pressure in similar situation. If memory serves me right, the Lions sacked someone a few years back for minor office sexual harassment.

Regarding coaching, who is responsible for selecting junior and school coaches into high pressure professional coaching positions? 
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Originally posted by WitBoer WitBoer wrote:

Originally posted by Lion4ever Lion4ever wrote:

Again, Joey was a decent coach at age group level, winning the U19 CC in his first year, becoming assistant coach at the Junior Bokke. Can't be that bad as a coach. And his case is still on appeal. The Lions would not have kept him on if they felt he did not have a chance on his appeal. 
Have you ever coached rugby at SR level? Have you experienced that kind of pressure, irrespective of the final straw that broke the camel's back? These issue are not something to make fun of. 
The only thing I can agree with you on this post is that Niel has not been up to scratch as an attack coach.
Nope, never coached at all and I can promise u, I don't think any of this is funny...
Case being on appeal still means he was found GUILTY by a court based on the evidence available... So if I shot someone in cold blood and was found guilty and I appeal the verdict, does it all of a sudden mean I am innocent?  I honestly don't care whether he is the best coach the world has ever seen, he should not be coaching at the Lions... Fact is he was found guilty of a crime in a foreign country while representing his employer...



I agree he was supposed to be suspended untill the appeal is done.......but ,ons Mors ons asems,dit gaan nie verander en ons praat Al maande daaroor.....
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I wonder if the union would be comfortable putting him in charge of one of our womens teams? If they believe he is innocent then they should have no problem putting a known, guilty sexual offender in charge of women.
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Originally posted by Lion4ever Lion4ever wrote:

Again, Joey was a decent coach at age group level, winning the U19 CC in his first year, becoming assistant coach at the Junior Bokke. Can't be that bad as a coach. And his case is still on appeal. The Lions would not have kept him on if they felt he did not have a chance on his appeal. 
Have you ever coached rugby at SR level? Have you experienced that kind of pressure, irrespective of the final straw that broke the camel's back? These issue are not something to make fun of. 
The only thing I can agree with you on this post is that Niel has not been up to scratch as an attack coach.
Nope, never coached at all and I can promise u, I don't think any of this is funny...
Case being on appeal still means he was found GUILTY by a court based on the evidence available... So if I shot someone in cold blood and was found guilty and I appeal the verdict, does it all of a sudden mean I am innocent?  I honestly don't care whether he is the best coach the world has ever seen, he should not be coaching at the Lions... Fact is he was found guilty of a crime in a foreign country while representing his employer...
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