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The next game for the Lions is against the Jaguares in BA on 1 Feb 2020, kickoff at 23:40 SA Time.

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    Posted: 13-Jan-2020 at 3:08pm
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SUPER RUGBY PREVIEW 2020 – TEAM BY TEAM: It is a new season and, as is traditional, the year is met by baroque hopefulness and idealism.

It is understandable. No game has been played yet and the Lions haven’t lost yet.

However, a reality check is in order.

Let’s start with leadership.

Yes, the injured Warren Whiteley is still around, helping out in an off-field, mentor, role.

But his on-field presence is what they missed most in 2019. His departure – first as a result of a pectoral injury and then a recurring knee injury – saw a dramatic decline in the team’s composure last year.

The result was a ninth-place finish – their lowest since their return from exile in 2014.

And you can’t underestimate the coaching upheavals.

Swys de Bruin, after first ditching the team in New Zealand in April, through his stress-related illness, then ended his seven-year association with the franchise in October.

He is now a ‘coaching consultant’ with the Southern Kings.

Ivan van Rooyen has a decent coaching pedigree, having joined the Lions in 2009. The sport scientist worked with the junior sides and also assisted Wayne Taylor with the Super Rugby and senior Currie Cup sides. He became head of Strength and Conditioning in 2012.

The Lions’ success after their return from exile in 2014 and subsequent Super Rugby finals in 2016, 2017 and 2018 was also due to the high level of fitness installed by Van Rooyen. He headed up the coaching staff of the Lions in the 2018 and 2019 Currie Cup seasons, with the team advancing to the Final last year.

But question marks remain.

Let us take a look at the experience they have lost since last year.

Gone are Whiteley (injured), Malcolm Marx (playing in Japan), Jacobie Adriaanse (retired), Albertus Smith (in Japan) and Lionel Mapoe (in France).

Those are all seasoned heads that could bring a measure of calmness.

It does not include the host of other talented players that departed the franchise.

There was a genuine attempt to add some experience. Veteran Springbok Jannie du Plessis (after five years in France), loose forward Roelof Smit (from the Bulls) and Dan Kriel (from the Stormers).

It is an attempt, at least.

However, it doesn’t really inspire confidence if you are an objective observer.

2019 Predictions

South African Conference Placing: Fourth
Player of the Year: Carlü Sadie
Rookie of the Year: Manuel Rass
Super Rugby Placing: Outside the top 10

Squad Movements

In: Jannie du Plessis (from Montpellier), Marko Janse van Rensburg (from Pumas), Roelof Smit (from Bulls), André Warner (from Bulls), James Mollentze (from Free State Under-21), Tiaan Swanepoel (from West Harbour, Sydney), Dan Kriel (from Stormers), Duncan Matthews (from Bulls), Jamba Ulengo (from Blue Bulls).

Out: Warren Whiteley (injured), Robbie Coetzee (released), Malcolm Marx (to Shining Arcs), Jacobie Adriaanse (retired), Danie Mienie (to Rovigo), Lourens Erasmus (to Red Hurricanes), Robert Kruger (to Shining Arcs), Stephan Lewies (to Harlequins), Albertus Smith (to Júbilo), James Venter (to Sharks), Nic Groom (to Edinburgh), Lionel Mapoe (to Stade Français), Harold Vorster (to Wild Knights), Ruan Combrinck (to Stade Français), Aphiwe Dyantyi (suspended), Madosh Tambwe (to Sharks), Sylvian Mahuza (to Shining Arcs).

Squad (provisional): Jannie du Plessis, Johannes Jonker, Nathan McBeth, Asenathi Ntlabakanye, Carlü Sadie, Sti Sithole, Dylan Smith, Frans van Wyk, Jan-Henning Campher, Marko Janse van Rensburg, Pieter Jansen, Rhyno Herbst, Reinhard Nothnagel, Marvin Orie, Ruben Schoeman, Wilhelm van der Sluys, Ruan Vermaak, Cyle Brink, Hacjivah Dayimani, Marnus Schoeman, Roelof Smit, Vincent Tshituka, Len Massyn, Ross Cronjé, Dillon Smit, André Warner, Elton Jantjies, James Mollentze, Shaun Reynolds, Tiaan Swanepoel, Dan Kriel, Duncan Matthews, Manuel Rass, Wandisile Simelane, Louritz van der Schyff, Tyrone Green, Stean Pienaar, Courtnall Skosan, Jamba Ulengo, Andries Coetzee, Gianni Lombard.

History

Best finish: Champions in 1993 (Some purists dismiss their Super 10 title as being in the amateur era. They were runners up in 2016, 2017 and 2018)

Worst finish: Fifteenth in 2012



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Weet ons waarom Robbie Coetzee laat gaan is?
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Met Marx weg kon hierdie Robbie se jaar wees om homself weer as een van die land se beste hakers te hervestig. 
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Nee dankie, dit is tyd vir die volgende generasie hakkers om weer kans te kry. Robbie het genoeg kans gekry en het bewys hy is geneig om gereeld n brainfart te beleef. Ek het op n tyd baie van hom gehou en hy was baie lojaal vir baie lank aan die Leeus, maar was net klein bietjie bo gemiddeld (as ons eerlik moet wees) op sy beste en daardie vorm het ook nie lank gehou nie.
Moo-Mamma, Moo-Papa, MooMa, Mei-Mei. BooBoo en Snif-snaf, ou Stinkie daar by. Almal bly saam in die Moo vallei!
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Tuna, ek hoor wat jy se, maar op 'n stadium was hy en Akker twee van die bestes in die land. Daarna het hy met beserings gesukkel, en niemand gaan ooit 'n extended run kry en vorm herwin terwyl Marx daar is nie. 
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Ek is saam met Tuna op die een, 

Robbie was average at best. 

ek weet nie of die nuwe manne gaan step up nie. Jansen is ook maar average. Campher lyk of hy kan ouraait wees, maar hy sal die jaar moet step up.
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This is the year for Campher and Jansen to step up. Do the basics well. Straight throws in the lineout and hooking the ball in the scrum and being able to scrum well. Get these right and the flashy stuff will come.
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Originally posted by Lion4ever Lion4ever wrote:

This is the year for Campher and Jansen to step up. Do the basics well. Straight throws in the lineout and hooking the ball in the scrum and being able to scrum well. Get these right and the flashy stuff will come.
Both of them have the potential to become very good. If they work hard and push one another there is no reason why they can't become at least as good as Mbonambi. Marx is a bit of a freak, which does not come along very often.. it would be unfair to compare them to Marx (in my opinion).
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Originally posted by Goue Leeu Goue Leeu wrote:

Originally posted by Lion4ever Lion4ever wrote:

This is the year for Campher and Jansen to step up. Do the basics well. Straight throws in the lineout and hooking the ball in the scrum and being able to scrum well. Get these right and the flashy stuff will come.
Both of them have the potential to become very good. If they work hard and push one another there is no reason why they can't become at least as good as Mbonambi. Marx is a bit of a freak, which does not come along very often.. it would be unfair to compare them to Marx (in my opinion).
Agree 100%. They have immense boots to fill, but must play their own game and not try to be mini Marxess.
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Mbonambi was just as good as Marx last year, 

The difference is that Mbonambi cant get better, Marx on the other hand was probably the best player in the world in 2017. 

Our young hookers have the chance to prove themselves now, lets hope they do that. It could also create some competition between the two of them for the number 2 jersey , vs with Marx they knew they'd wear the 16
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Sal nie verbaas indien die Puma Marko Janse van Rensburg ons no 1 haker gaan wees die jaar nie. Beweeglik maar ook hard. Van ons junior hakers lyk Morne Brandon die belowenste (uiters beweeglik en baie vaardig,baie soos Schalk Brits). Wat het van willem Alberts geword?

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Ek dink daar is nog steeds 'n goeie kans dat hy (Alberts) vir ons gaan speel. Soos SupaRugby gerapporteer het, oefen hy wel saam met die span. 

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Thanks Transvaal.
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