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Originally posted by Attie Karate Attie Karate wrote:

Originally posted by Leeubok Leeubok wrote:

Transvaal, ek het so vinnig gegoogle vir die Bulls se 2018 super rugby squad. As ek so daarna kyk is daar ook bitter min van daai spelers nogsteeds by hulle. So ek glo nie dit is 'n probleem uniek aan ons nie. 

Outside Backs: Warrick Gelant, Duncan Matthews, Travis Ismaiel, Jamba Ulengo, Jade Stighling, Divan Rossouw.

Midfielders: Burger Odendaal, JT Jackson, Francois Brummer, Jesse Kriel, Johnny Kotze

Flyhalves: Handre Pollard, Marnitz Boshoff, Manie Libbok

Halfbacks: Ivan van Zyl, Andre Warner, Embrose Papier

Loose Forwards: Roelof Smit, Ruan Steenkamp, Hendre Stassen, Hanro Liebenberg, Jannes Kirsten, Nic de Jager, Tim Agaba.

Locks: Jason Jenkins, Ruben van Heerden, RG Snyman, Lood de Jager, Aston Fortuin.

Props: Pierre Schoeman, Conraad van Vuuren, Frans van Wyk, Matthys Basson, Lizo Gqoboka, Trevor Nyakane.

Hookers: Jaco Visagie, Adriaan Strauss, Edgar Marutlulle


7 van hulle is nou Leeus.

En hulle sit weer met n klomp van ons spelers. Nadat meeste van daai spelers by ons bokke geword het. Die bulle was ons geteken het was nooit ster spelers nie
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NEVER been an Andre Warner Fan.... there are FAR better Scrummies around for me.. Jaco VIsagie is probably best purchase of the lot here, the rest have failed to impress. Burger has been decent. and Matthews when not injured has done well...

But it is worrying all our BOKS have jumped... Somebody aske dme the other day (who doesnt follow rugby) if the lions wer emaybe struggling because they had too many players at the springboks... LOL ... i said... we have NOBODY involved witht he BOks at the moment Cry 
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Poor coaching has a knock on effect... We can not expect to have players playing for the national team when we end dead last is the local competition.
I stongly believe that if we were 1st players like Tshituka, Sadie, Simelane, Maxwane and even Odendaal would have been involved with the Boks. But they will not get a chance to prove themselves at international level because the team they represent is underperforming.
How many Springboks did we have at the start of 2014? I can only think of Elton Jantjies...
Then we were losing finalists and went on to be unbeaten in the 2015 campaign and in 2016 all of a sudden we had numerous Springboks, mostly players snubbed by other unions.
This is also why we are losing quality players. They know that they have to play for a winning team to be able to get noticed...
So our players are not getting picked by the boks because we are underperforming, they leave, we get even worse, more players leave etc. etc....
We need a good quality coach and management to stop this cycle, get the players to buy into a game plan and believe in themselves.... Then we will start winning again and our players will be called up to the national team and we will attract better players etc...
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Originally posted by WitBoer WitBoer wrote:

Poor coaching has a knock on effect... We can not expect to have players playing for the national team when we end dead last is the local competition.
I stongly believe that if we were 1st players like Tshituka, Sadie, Simelane, Maxwane and even Odendaal would have been involved with the Boks. But they will not get a chance to prove themselves at international level because the team they represent is underperforming.
How many Springboks did we have at the start of 2014? I can only think of Elton Jantjies...
Then we were losing finalists and went on to be unbeaten in the 2015 campaign and in 2016 all of a sudden we had numerous Springboks, mostly players snubbed by other unions.
This is also why we are losing quality players. They know that they have to play for a winning team to be able to get noticed...
So our players are not getting picked by the boks because we are underperforming, they leave, we get even worse, more players leave etc. etc....
We need a good quality coach and management to stop this cycle, get the players to buy into a game plan and believe in themselves.... Then we will start winning again and our players will be called up to the national team and we will attract better players etc...
very true, look at Wikus van Heerden, he was never mentioned as a possible springbok until he joined the Bulls

Back in the dark days we pretty much only had Jaques Fourie in the Bok squad, until he left as well. 
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Originally posted by Red_Machine Red_Machine wrote:

Originally posted by WitBoer WitBoer wrote:

Poor coaching has a knock on effect... We can not expect to have players playing for the national team when we end dead last is the local competition.
I stongly believe that if we were 1st players like Tshituka, Sadie, Simelane, Maxwane and even Odendaal would have been involved with the Boks. But they will not get a chance to prove themselves at international level because the team they represent is underperforming.
How many Springboks did we have at the start of 2014? I can only think of Elton Jantjies...
Then we were losing finalists and went on to be unbeaten in the 2015 campaign and in 2016 all of a sudden we had numerous Springboks, mostly players snubbed by other unions.
This is also why we are losing quality players. They know that they have to play for a winning team to be able to get noticed...
So our players are not getting picked by the boks because we are underperforming, they leave, we get even worse, more players leave etc. etc....
We need a good quality coach and management to stop this cycle, get the players to buy into a game plan and believe in themselves.... Then we will start winning again and our players will be called up to the national team and we will attract better players etc...
very true, look at Wikus van Heerden, he was never mentioned as a possible springbok until he joined the Bulls

Back in the dark days we pretty much only had Jaques Fourie in the Bok squad, until he left as well. 
Same with Jano Vermaak
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Very True. the better the team perfoms the higher the odds of bok selection. 

Saw the under 20 team line up earlier, looks ike heaps of talent in the line up, they must be retained and brought through to the senior team in the next few years. Henco Van Wyk, Izan Esterhuizen, Ngia Selengbe, Quon Horn, Heiko Pohlman all potential stars one day.
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Many of the guys playing now we're the 'potential stars one day' but have obviously not performed. I still believe with a better coach these guys could be great. 

Losing lots of players through transfers and injury does not make you play without a gameplan. It doesn't make your line-outs bad, it does not make your defensive structure ineffective, or make your attack unimaginative and predictable. These are all coaching issues.
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Originally posted by Attie Karate Attie Karate wrote:

Many of the guys playing now we're the 'potential stars one day' but have obviously not performed. I still believe with a better coach these guys could be great. 

Losing lots of players through transfers and injury does not make you play without a gameplan. It doesn't make your line-outs bad, it does not make your defensive structure ineffective, or make your attack unimaginative and predictable. These are all coaching issues.
Ek stem halfpad saam, maar dis nie die coach wat swak ingooi by die lynstane, balle verloor in kontak, tackles mis of nie by die gameplan hou nie. Nie al die skuld kan voor die deur van die afrigter gele word nie. Die spelers sal ook moet verantwoordelikheid vat vir ons vertonings op die veld. Spelers op die vlak moet nie meer ge coach word om n tackle te maak of n bal te vang of pass, of hoe om binne die reels van rugby te speel nie. Hulle moet dit reeds kan doen. Dis tog hoekom hulle in die squad is.
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Die coach maak die grootste verskil. Kyk maar toe Jake White by Strauli en Rassie by Alister as coach oorgeneem by die Springbokke. Die Springbok spelers het skielik verander van die slegste spelers in die wereld na van die bestes in die wereld. "n Coach is net so belangrik as 'n CEO by 'n maatskappy. Die Coach maak seker dat daar die regte motivering by die span is en dat spelers in hulle self glo en dus minder foute maak. Daai foute is agv van druk op die spelers en die coach wat nie die spelers die nodige self vertroue gegee het om hulle beste te lewer en minder foute te maak en om span saam te speel en vir mekaar te speel. Veral in die geval van jong spelers is daar min coaches wat goed met hulle kan werk. Swys de Bruin was veral goed om die beste uit jong spelers te kry.
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Een van die rykste besigheidsmanne het die volgende stelling gemaak..." When a manager with a reputation for brilliance tackles a business with a bad reputation, it is the reputation of the business that mostly remains intact" Dieselfde geld vir rugby. Rerwyl groot unies soos die WP sukkel, selfs met bekwame afrigters soos Rassie, is daar klein unies soos Griekwas en die Pumas wat oorpresteer met hulle beperkte hulpbronne, meestal omdat top bestuur goeie besluite maak en ook omdat alles gerig is om die afrigtingspan by te staan. Die afrigter het 'n groot se oor die opstel van sy afrigtingspan, kontraktering van spelers ens. 
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as ek die ander spanne sien speel dan wil ek se ons fiksheid is nie wat dit was nie. Gewoonlik waar altitude op ellispark in ons guns gespeel het daai laaste 20 minute wil dit lyk of ons die ergste sukkel dan. 
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Ek sien dis nou amptelik dat Warren Sharks to gaan.
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Originally posted by valie valie wrote:

Ek sien dis nou amptelik dat Warren Sharks to gaan.

Yup Cry
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Ek sien Rapport se Cash bly aan as Hoof afrigter van Leeus vir URC. Ricardo Loubscher, Jacques Fourie en Albert van den Berg kom by as Afrigters...
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Moontlik is daar maar net nie geld vir 'n nuwe ervare afrigter nie
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Originally posted by Vaal Leeu 3 Vaal Leeu 3 wrote:

Ek sien Rapport se Cash bly aan as Hoof afrigter van Leeus vir URC. Ricardo Loubscher, Jacques Fourie en Albert van den Berg kom by as Afrigters...

Vol planne.. hoop dit kom tot iets
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Ek het my respek verloor vir Jaque Fourie daai tyd toe hy weg is by ons
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Originally posted by Transvaal Transvaal wrote:

Ek het my respek verloor vir Jaque Fourie daai tyd toe hy weg is by ons

Self, baie grootkop getrek. Hoop maar hy het bietjie iets geleer
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Originally posted by Transvaal Transvaal wrote:

Ek het my respek verloor vir Jaque Fourie daai tyd toe hy weg is by ons

Sover ek onthou was Jaque een van die min kwaliteit spelers wat vir 7 of 8 jaar lojaal was toe ons in die doldrums was. Ek dink hy was net uiteindlik gatvol vir die onbevoegdheid met die unie.


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ek weet nie so mooi nie, dit lyk of die unie net nuwe mense intrek en hoop vir die beste. As cash gaan aanbly dan weet ek regtig nie. Die unie is beslis nie op n goeie plek nie. 
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Ek sien die Leeus se hulle maak more die aankondiging, maar die ou van Rapport is baie connected so hy is seker reg
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Ek hoop daar is darem versterkings in die spelers geledere ook
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Met Cash wat bly is daar eenvoudig net nie enige hoop nie. Ek sou selfs hoopvol gewees het as Andre Pretorius kon oorvat as afrigter, maar die "rumours" dat Cash aanbly het my nou totaal en al gatvol vir die unie... Ek hoor wat julle sê oor bou en spelers verloor ens ens... Maar die Griekwas is in die Semi, die Pumas was amper ook daar... Hoeveel van ons huidige spelers sou julle ruil vir hulle Griekwa/ Puma eweknieë?
Ek is done... Ek gaan nie myself verder bekommer oor Leeu rugby nie. My lapa sal maar volgende week 'n revamp moet kry, ek raak ontslae van al my Lions branded items... Sal dit maar wegpak en stoor tot ons beatuur eendag vervang is met iemand wat ten minste omgee oor Leeu rugby... Ek is nou officially nie meer 'n Leeu ondersteuner nie...
30 jaar... Dit was meestal maar frustrerend maar van 2014 tot 2017, was my lekkerste jare as leeu ondersteuner... Moes dit seker al lankal gedoen het...
Sal ongelukkig ook geen ander SA span kan ondersteun nie, en stel nie veel belang in die ander lande se rugby nie, so dit beteken dan ook maar eitlik ek is dan klaar met rugby...
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Ek hou op kyk as Cash hoofafrigter bly
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