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    Posted: 11-Dec-2019 at 12:10pm
Stormers coach John Dobson says rugby bosses need to grasp the concept of "less is more" and consider a return to Super 12.

"Rugby, as a product, is in a very bad state. The crowds for Super Rugby matches between the Bulls and Stormers have drastically decreased," Dobson said, as quoted by Netwerk24.

Dobson added that watching a PRO14 match was enough to put any rugby fan to sleep.

"In the Western Cape the heartbeat of the game was always between April and October. Now we have to finish the Currie Cup at the end of August to so that PRO14 matches can be broadcast and then Super Rugby starts on February 1."


The Stormers mentor added that the expansion of Super Rugby over the years has damaged the product.

Twelve teams contested Super Rugby at the start of professionalism in 1996, before the tournament became Super 14 in 2006 with the addition of the Cheetahs and Australia's Western Force.

The Melbourne Rebels' addition made it a 15-team competition in 2011, before it became an 18-team event for two seasons in 2016-17 with the addition of the Southern Kings, Argentina's Jaguares and Japan’s Sunwolves.

Super Rugby was again cut to 15 teams in 2018, with the Cheetahs, Kings and Force dropping out and will again become Super 14 in 2021 with the Sunwolves making way.

However, if Dobson had his way, there would be a move back to the old Super 12

"There's a simple solution. We have to return to a Super 12 series where every team faces the other one. Sorry then to whoever falls out."

Dobson believes less rugby would attract bigger crowds and generate more interest from fans.

"I have no doubt that rugby will have to return to its old values of less is more. It's a tragedy that a match between the Springboks and All Blacks has to be moved to Albany because the crowd would not be big enough to fill Eden Park."


He feels the fact that the Springboks and All Blacks face each other every year home and away in the Rugby Championship has seen interest wane.

"The Six Nations is the biggest competition in the world and England would for example only play once every two years against Scotland at Murrayfield."


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I tend to agree that we need less rugby. Player welfare is very important. Fuller stadiums and better TV viewership will bring in better revenue.
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>>>Dobson added that watching a PRO14 match was enough to put any rugby fan to sleep.


Ek vind dit ook nogal moeilik om wakker te bly vir 80 minute van hierdie rugby
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Originally posted by Transvaal Transvaal wrote:

>>>Dobson added that watching a PRO14 match was enough to put any rugby fan to sleep.


Ek vind dit ook nogal moeilik om wakker te bly vir 80 minute van hierdie rugby
Stem 100%. Selfs al is daar geen ander rugby nie.
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Super Rugby is steeds 'n great produk. Wanneer almal weer teen almal speel en daar is een "log" met die beste vier spanne wat deurgaan semis toe, sal die belangstelling weer vinnig groei. Back to basics.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Attie Karate Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 11-Dec-2019 at 3:08pm
Originally posted by Goue Leeu Goue Leeu wrote:

Originally posted by Transvaal Transvaal wrote:

>>>Dobson added that watching a PRO14 match was enough to put any rugby fan to sleep.


Ek vind dit ook nogal moeilik om wakker te bly vir 80 minute van hierdie rugby
Stem 100%. Selfs al is daar geen ander rugby nie.

Ek stem ook
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Originally posted by Goue Leeu Goue Leeu wrote:

Super Rugby is steeds 'n great produk. Wanneer almal weer teen almal speel en daar is een "log" met die beste vier spanne wat deurgaan semis toe, sal die belangstelling weer vinnig groei. Back to basics.

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote TunaLion Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 11-Dec-2019 at 7:50pm
Originally posted by Goue Leeu Goue Leeu wrote:

Originally posted by Transvaal Transvaal wrote:

>>>Dobson added that watching a PRO14 match was enough to put any rugby fan to sleep.


Ek vind dit ook nogal moeilik om wakker te bly vir 80 minute van hierdie rugby
Stem 100%. Selfs al is daar geen ander rugby nie.


Ek kyk dit glad nie. Sal net nou en dan na die logs kyk en die results, maar dit is selfs te vervelig vir my om die opsommings van die games te lees, nevermind om  bietjie meer as 90 min tyd (met halftyd) op dit op te offer om te kyk.
Moo-Mamma, Moo-Papa, MooMa, Mei-Mei. BooBoo en Snif-snaf, ou Stinkie daar by. Almal bly saam in die Moo vallei!
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Originally posted by Attie Karate Attie Karate wrote:

Originally posted by Goue Leeu Goue Leeu wrote:

Super Rugby is steeds 'n great produk. Wanneer almal weer teen almal speel en daar is een "log" met die beste vier spanne wat deurgaan semis toe, sal die belangstelling weer vinnig groei. Back to basics.

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Ek stem 100% saam. Daar was net 4 week toere en 1 bye vir elke span so die seisoen was nie te lank nie. As ek reg onthou was die kompetisie al klaar teen einde Mei/begin Junie, so mens het nie 'n oordosis van Rugby gekry nie. Ekt selfs na die games gekyk waar SA spanne nie betrokke was nie, aangesien daar net maksimum van 6 games 'n naweek was (5 met die byes). Less is more!
Moo-Mamma, Moo-Papa, MooMa, Mei-Mei. BooBoo en Snif-snaf, ou Stinkie daar by. Almal bly saam in die Moo vallei!
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