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ANOTHER TOP CHEETAH COACH APPOINTED BY SARU

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Free State Rugby is incredibly proud of another top coach from the Cheetahs who has been appointed by SARU.

Daan Human, a former scrum coach and ex-Cheetah player has now been appointed by SARU as the new Springbok scrum coach.   

Free State Rugby is proud of the fact that almost all the top coaches in South Africa hails from the Free State and it is therefore clear that Free State is not only a developer of talented players but also coaches, referees and administrators. 

Besides Human, the Rugby Wold Cup winning coach, Rassie Erasmus and his assistant coach, Jacques Nienaber, who is earmarked to be the new head coach, as well as the Springbok Sevens coach, Neil Powell are all from the Free State.

Former Toyota Cheetah coach, Franco Smith has recently been appointed as the head coach of the Italian National side and he invited the Toyota Cheetah kicking coach, Albert Keuris, to assist the Azzurri as consultant for a week or two.

The ex-Cheetah player Brendan Venter was also a backline consultant for the Springboks and still is a well-recognised consultant in international rugby.  

The head coach of the Bulls, Pote Human and his assistant coach, Pine Pienaar are both from Free State Rugby.  

Apart from the names mentioned, Jaco Peyper, number 1 SA Referee, Vivian Verwant, Springbok physiotherapist and former Springbok team manager, Ian Swarts are all from the Free State. 

It is therefore clear that Free State and the Cheetahs produce not only top players, but also coaches, referees and administrators for SA Rugby and the Free State Rugby family is extremely proud of these achievements. 

One can ask - is there something Free State Rugby do that initiates this?  It can only be said that there is some rugby approach in the Free State that contributes to offer opportunities to not only to players, but also referees, officials and coaches to rise out to the highest levels in rugby.

As a matter of fact; one of the mission statements of Free State Rugby is that we offer opportunities.   

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Sjoe, humble is die Vrystaat nou definitief nie. Hierdie artikel is een moerse "pat on their own back"....
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Sou net nice wees as hulle hul Engelse grammar op dieselfde sogenaamde vlak as hul spelers en afrigters kan kry....
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Net jammer hulle kan nie die Cheetahs rugbyspan verbeter nie
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As hulle coaches so goed is, waarom is hul span so kak? Ek weti, vra namens 'n vriend.. LOL
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Where things stand

Head coach: Jacques Nienaber, a physiotherapist with no real rugby or coaching experience who have been riding on Rassie's coattails since their army days
Scrum coach: Daan Human, a coach the Cheetahs were quite happy to be rid of, lending him to the Bulls who were 10th in scrum success under him
Forwards coach: Deon Davids, who was fired by the Kings
??? coach: Mzwandile Stick. Not sure what his job is at the Boks
Defence analyst: Felix Jones, who seemed to have done a good job analysing opposition teams at the RWC. New role not announced

Rassie will have a lot on his plate and a lot will depend on whether Rassie focuses on the Boks or on his real job as DoR

Taking Rassie out of the picture would you have been happy with this coaching team for the Lions?
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Well, Jacques Nienaber is the best defensive coach in the world. Howeever, I don't believe it's right to give him the springbok job as his first gig in a head coach position. 

Deon Davids has never done anything to warrant being in die springbok setup.

Stick, even less deserving than Davids. 

Thing is, after the WC Rassie can do no wrong, and no-one will question his appointments or decision making. But no, apart from Nienaber as defense coach, I would not want that coaching team even at the Lions! 
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Originally posted by Leeubok Leeubok wrote:

Well, Jacques Nienaber is the best defensive coach in the world. Howeever, I don't believe it's right to give him the springbok job as his first gig in a head coach position. 

Deon Davids has never done anything to warrant being in die springbok setup.

Stick, even less deserving than Davids. 

Thing is, after the WC Rassie can do no wrong, and no-one will question his appointments or decision making. But no, apart from Nienaber as defense coach, I would not want that coaching team even at the Lions! 
The thing is Rassie will be giving instructions to his coaching team. Maybe even his famous disco lights at some pointLOL. I read somewhere that Rassie will still have huge input into the team.
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Sorry guys, but I mostlt disagree with you regarding the Bok coaches. They have pretty much proven themselves as worthy WC winners. Not sure you can win the WC with just one quality coach, especially as there are many quality International teams nowadays. The Boks were also the first team ever to win the RC and WC in the same year, so that is also an impressive achievement, which must have taken a lot of planning, luck, analysis and player management

Head Coach: Jacques Nienaber has a proven track record as Defense coach. Wherever he has coached, his teams have been extremely stingy on defence. He is also an excellent communicator I have read in numerous articles over many years and also very humble. Not sure how he will do as Head Coach, but I believe Rassie is smart enough to not just hang him out to dry and will assist very closely for the first while.

Daan Human: Proudfoot chose to leave and join the England coaching team, so the Boks were forced to get a new coach. I am also not too happy about Human's appointment, but let's give him a chance. He has at least done the rounds for a few years and is a former Bok prop, so cannot be THAT bad.

Deon Davids: Not seen anything official that says he has been appointed as forwards coach? Maybe you guys can please send me the link?

Mzandile Stick: Was really hung out to dry by Allistair Coetsee, who did everything in his power to shift the blame to Stick after the horrendous 2016 and it isn't like the team got any better in 2017 without Stick. So I feel many people still attach 2016's failures to Stick. While formally Stick is the backline coach, he is also the skills coach. He worked very closely on attacking/ball skills development of the Boks, but also on getting players to minimize their "back to play" times, where the players are trained to always be on their feet and not lying around after tackles/being tackled, etc. Very important work and something a former 7's player will especially know all about. Our try scoring stats at the World Cup was up their with the best (it was the most in fact and everyone had some easy pool games, so one cannot use that as an excuse for why we scored so many tries).

Felix Jones: I am not sure his contract has been extended as I think he was only contracted for the World Cup, however I will like it if he stays on.

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Originally posted by TunaLion TunaLion wrote:

Sorry guys, but I mostlt disagree with you regarding the Bok coaches. They have pretty much proven themselves as worthy WC winners. Not sure you can win the WC with just one quality coach, especially as there are many quality International teams nowadays. The Boks were also the first team ever to win the RC and WC in the same year, so that is also an impressive achievement, which must have taken a lot of planning, luck, analysis and player management

Head Coach: Jacques Nienaber has a proven track record as Defense coach. Wherever he has coached, his teams have been extremely stingy on defence. He is also an excellent communicator I have read in numerous articles over many years and also very humble. Not sure how he will do as Head Coach, but I believe Rassie is smart enough to not just hang him out to dry and will assist very closely for the first while.

Daan Human: Proudfoot chose to leave and join the England coaching team, so the Boks were forced to get a new coach. I am also not too happy about Human's appointment, but let's give him a chance. He has at least done the rounds for a few years and is a former Bok prop, so cannot be THAT bad.

Deon Davids: Not seen anything official that says he has been appointed as forwards coach? Maybe you guys can please send me the link?

Mzandile Stick: Was really hung out to dry by Allistair Coetsee, who did everything in his power to shift the blame to Stick after the horrendous 2016 and it isn't like the team got any better in 2017 without Stick. So I feel many people still attach 2016's failures to Stick. While formally Stick is the backline coach, he is also the skills coach. He worked very closely on attacking/ball skills development of the Boks, but also on getting players to minimize their "back to play" times, where the players are trained to always be on their feet and not lying around after tackles/being tackled, etc. Very important work and something a former 7's player will especially know all about. Our try scoring stats at the World Cup was up their with the best (it was the most in fact and everyone had some easy pool games, so one cannot use that as an excuse for why we scored so many tries).

Felix Jones: I am not sure his contract has been extended as I think he was only contracted for the World Cup, however I will like it if he stays on.

I agree, no use in writing them off just yet. Give them a chance and let's see what they can do.
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Originally posted by TunaLion TunaLion wrote:

Sorry guys, but I mostlt disagree with you regarding the Bok coaches. They have pretty much proven themselves as worthy WC winners. Not sure you can win the WC with just one quality coach, especially as there are many quality International teams nowadays. The Boks were also the first team ever to win the RC and WC in the same year, so that is also an impressive achievement, which must have taken a lot of planning, luck, analysis and player management

Head Coach: Jacques Nienaber has a proven track record as Defense coach. Wherever he has coached, his teams have been extremely stingy on defence. He is also an excellent communicator I have read in numerous articles over many years and also very humble. Not sure how he will do as Head Coach, but I believe Rassie is smart enough to not just hang him out to dry and will assist very closely for the first while.

Daan Human: Proudfoot chose to leave and join the England coaching team, so the Boks were forced to get a new coach. I am also not too happy about Human's appointment, but let's give him a chance. He has at least done the rounds for a few years and is a former Bok prop, so cannot be THAT bad.

Deon Davids: Not seen anything official that says he has been appointed as forwards coach? Maybe you guys can please send me the link?

Mzandile Stick: Was really hung out to dry by Allistair Coetsee, who did everything in his power to shift the blame to Stick after the horrendous 2016 and it isn't like the team got any better in 2017 without Stick. So I feel many people still attach 2016's failures to Stick. While formally Stick is the backline coach, he is also the skills coach. He worked very closely on attacking/ball skills development of the Boks, but also on getting players to minimize their "back to play" times, where the players are trained to always be on their feet and not lying around after tackles/being tackled, etc. Very important work and something a former 7's player will especially know all about. Our try scoring stats at the World Cup was up their with the best (it was the most in fact and everyone had some easy pool games, so one cannot use that as an excuse for why we scored so many tries).

Felix Jones: I am not sure his contract has been extended as I think he was only contracted for the World Cup, however I will like it if he stays on.


Tuna, you can't rescind Stick from any responsibility when the boks do bad under AC, but praise him when they do well under Rassie. And let's be honest, we won the WC thanks to the brute force of our forwards, not because of amazing attacks by our backline. 

Nienaber: we said the same thing.
Human: Dunno what he did to deserve the bok position
Davids: I also haven't seen any official appointments, but his name has been bandied about for a while now, so it seems likely he'll be part of the coaching team. Again, apart from some promising signs from a no-name kings team during 1 super rugby campaign, his coaching record should speak for itself. Absolutely pathetic
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The one thing is that we will have continuity. That is very important. If the players and the new coach have a good rapport, that is half the battle won. 
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Ek glo nie hulle gaan aan enige van die strukture by die bokke karring nie, veral nie nadat ons die WC gewen het nie. En soos genoem alreeds, Rassie sal seker nog redelik hands on wees. So ek se nie die bokke gaan ewe skielik swak wees onder hierdie afrigters nie..
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Originally posted by Leeubok Leeubok wrote:

Originally posted by TunaLion TunaLion wrote:

Sorry guys, but I mostlt disagree with you regarding the Bok coaches. They have pretty much proven themselves as worthy WC winners. Not sure you can win the WC with just one quality coach, especially as there are many quality International teams nowadays. The Boks were also the first team ever to win the RC and WC in the same year, so that is also an impressive achievement, which must have taken a lot of planning, luck, analysis and player management

Head Coach: Jacques Nienaber has a proven track record as Defense coach. Wherever he has coached, his teams have been extremely stingy on defence. He is also an excellent communicator I have read in numerous articles over many years and also very humble. Not sure how he will do as Head Coach, but I believe Rassie is smart enough to not just hang him out to dry and will assist very closely for the first while.

Daan Human: Proudfoot chose to leave and join the England coaching team, so the Boks were forced to get a new coach. I am also not too happy about Human's appointment, but let's give him a chance. He has at least done the rounds for a few years and is a former Bok prop, so cannot be THAT bad.

Deon Davids: Not seen anything official that says he has been appointed as forwards coach? Maybe you guys can please send me the link?

Mzandile Stick: Was really hung out to dry by Allistair Coetsee, who did everything in his power to shift the blame to Stick after the horrendous 2016 and it isn't like the team got any better in 2017 without Stick. So I feel many people still attach 2016's failures to Stick. While formally Stick is the backline coach, he is also the skills coach. He worked very closely on attacking/ball skills development of the Boks, but also on getting players to minimize their "back to play" times, where the players are trained to always be on their feet and not lying around after tackles/being tackled, etc. Very important work and something a former 7's player will especially know all about. Our try scoring stats at the World Cup was up their with the best (it was the most in fact and everyone had some easy pool games, so one cannot use that as an excuse for why we scored so many tries).

Felix Jones: I am not sure his contract has been extended as I think he was only contracted for the World Cup, however I will like it if he stays on.


Tuna, you can't rescind Stick from any responsibility when the boks do bad under AC, but praise him when they do well under Rassie. And let's be honest, we won the WC thanks to the brute force of our forwards, not because of amazing attacks by our backline. 

Nienaber: we said the same thing.
Human: Dunno what he did to deserve the bok position
Davids: I also haven't seen any official appointments, but his name has been bandied about for a while now, so it seems likely he'll be part of the coaching team. Again, apart from some promising signs from a no-name kings team during 1 super rugby campaign, his coaching record should speak for itself. Absolutely pathetic


That wasn't my intention. I justfeel he got some serious flak from AC who was trying to cover his own arse and hung Stick out to dry. While Stick isnt the best, he did not deserve that treatment and was good in his role at the WC. A backline coach isnt to blame for all that went wrong in 2016 and in the same way isnt the reason all went right in 2019. Didnt know what I wrote will come out like that??

All I tried to do was point out what his role was and what he is involved in doing at the Boks....


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Fair enough Tuna. Maybe he isn't bad at what he does. But he isn't exactly a top specialist that any other international (or provincial) team would chase
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