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    Posted: 11-Feb-2018 at 7:33am
https://www.netwerk24.com/Sport/Rugby/rassie-jag-oorsee-20180210

Rassie Erasmus is op ’n oorsese sending om Springbokke in Engeland en Frankryk te betrek by sy planne vir Wêreldbeker 2019.

Erasmus en sy afvaardiging voer gesprekke met ’n groot aantal oorsese Springbokke wat hulle meen moontlik die Bok-span vanjaar en in 2019 kan versterk.

Onder die spelers met wie Erasmus en sy afvaardiging sedert Vrydag gepraat het, is Vincent Koch.

Erasmus het dié voormalige stut van die Pumas en die Stormers reeds geïdentifiseer as ’n onontbeerlike speler. Koch is egter tot Junie 2019 onder kontrak by die Engelse klubspan Saracens.

Die hoop is om hom uit sy kontrak te kry. Die Suid-Afrikaanse miljardêr-sakeman Johann Rupert se belang in Saracens kan glo deurslaggewend wees om Kock vroeër na Suid-Afrika te laat terugkeer.

Die Suid-Afrikaanse Rugbyunie (Saru), die Bulle en ’n borg is die ander drie vennote wat glo moet help.

Die Westelike Provinsie toon ook belangstelling in die voorryman van Saracens, maar hulle het slegs korttermynplanne met hom.

Die WP wil hom net vir ongeveer ses weke vir Superrugby leen, terwyl hy sonder die beseerde Frans Malherbe moet klaarkom.

Die Bulle daarteenoor wil Koch ’n langtermynkontrak aanbied.

Erasmus wil Koch ten alle koste terug in die land hê, veral omdat daar nog onsekerheid bestaan of hy vanjaar oorsese spelers mag oorweeg wat in minder as 30 toetse gespeel het.

Koch het nog net in nege gespeel.

Rapport verneem by ’n onberispelike bron dat buiten vir Koch spelers soos Willie le Roux, Frans Steyn, Bismarck du Plessis, Duane Vermeulen, Juan de Jongh, JP Pietersen, Faf de Klerk, Jan Serfontein en Pat Lambie deur Erasmus-hulle besoek sal word vir gesprekke oor hulle Bok-toekoms. Hy sou ook ’n lys van vereistes aan hulle gestel het, onder meer wat hy ten opsigte van hul fiksheid en spelpeil vereis.

Erasmus het nie net die week oorsee gevlieg om met spelers te praat nie.

Hy was ook Saterdag op Twickenham ’n toeskouer by die Sesnasies-kragmeting tussen Engeland en Wallis.

Sy beplanning vir Junie se Engelse toetse het al einde verlede jaar begin en kry die naweek verdere momentum.

Ná sy besoek aan Londen vlieg Erasmus reguit na Japan waar hy na rugbystadions, beskikbare oefenvelde en geskikte hotelle vir die Bokke in Japan sal kyk.

Die All Blacks se Steve Hansen was reeds in Japan. Hulle het vanweë hul keurlysposisie die eerste keuse gehad waar hulle wil bly en oefen.
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Originally posted by Transvaal Transvaal wrote:

https://www.netwerk24.com/Sport/Rugby/rassie-jag-oorsee-20180210
Rapport verneem by ’n onberispelike bron dat buiten vir Koch spelers soos Willie le Roux, Frans Steyn, Bismarck du Plessis, Duane Vermeulen, Juan de Jongh, JP Pietersen, Faf de Klerk, Jan Serfontein en Pat Lambie deur Erasmus-hulle besoek sal word vir gesprekke oor hulle Bok-toekoms. 
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Die volgende hofnar..
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As dit gaan oor diepte, kan ek dit verstaan (Bokke het geen diepte in baie posisies). As die ouens nou sommer gaan instap in die beginspan in, dan moet die Bokke maar lekker speel.. ek sal nie nog een minuut vir hulle kyk nie.
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Kyk, ten minste beplan hy. Mens voel al klaar meer gerus en weet meer oor wat hy doen as toe Totti in beheer was. MAAR ek stem saam, waarom wil jy ou dooie hout gaan haal? 

Bismarck - ons het Marx, Coetzee, Akker, Marais wat meer as genoeg is. 
Frans - Ons kan dalk doen met hom as backup losskakel en heelagter. Ons het genoeg senters. En hy moet sy houding oorsee los
Willie - Wat n grap!
Duane - Mees over rated speler in geskiedenis!
Juan - Rerig?????
JP - has been
Serfontein - nie sleg, maar ons het genoeg senters om hom te vervang
Bambi - Mr. Glass. Solank iemand oorsee net sy medies betaal..

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At least there is planning. Glad to hear he was in England to watch them play Wales. It will give him some sort of idea of what to expect. 
In terms of players he is looking at, he is giving them clear guidelines on what he expects from them. 
However, I am in full agreement with Leeubok's assessment of the players he is looking at. 5 Years ago Thor was a great player, but since he went to Europe, he has stagnated.
Vincent Koch is someone we need at no 3.
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Originally posted by Lion4ever Lion4ever wrote:

At least there is planning. Glad to hear he was in England to watch them play Wales. It will give him some sort of idea of what to expect. 
In terms of players he is looking at, he is giving them clear guidelines on what he expects from them. 
However, I am in full agreement with Leeubok's assessment of the players he is looking at. 5 Years ago Thor was a great player, but since he went to Europe, he has stagnated.
Vincent Koch is someone we need at no 3.
We need a good Scrummer at 3, which Koch is by no means.
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Malherbe is injured, as is Wilco. Julian has retired. Coenie is injured and inconsistent. Ruan D is a walking penalty zone at the moment. The Tank is transitioning from 1 to 3, and with the exception of one or 2 games has not impressed, so its hard to see him make an impact in the next 2 years. Trevor, constantly struggles with fitness, and IMO is better suited to 1, where he started. Unfortunately that leaves us with very little at 3. Are any names that I have missed?
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Originally posted by Lion4ever Lion4ever wrote:

Malherbe is injured, as is Wilco. Julian has retired. Coenie is injured and inconsistent. Ruan D is a walking penalty zone at the moment. The Tank is transitioning from 1 to 3, and with the exception of one or 2 games has not impressed, so its hard to see him make an impact in the next 2 years. Trevor, constantly struggles with fitness, and IMO is better suited to 1, where he started. Unfortunately that leaves us with very little at 3. Are any names that I have missed?
I would rather say he needs to see who performs in SR, before investing a lot of money to bring someone like Koch, who tend to struggle a lot in the scrums, back.
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As hy die ouens terugbring SA toe is dit nog een ding, en ek kan daarmee saamleef. Dit wys hulle is toegewyd om die bok span te haal. Maar ek stem steeds nie daarmee saam om meer as 1 of 2 spelers van oorsee te speel nie. Rugby is nie n spansport waar jy ouens net voor n game bymekaar kan gooi en verwag hulle gaan net click nie. 

Dit is al tot vervelens toe bespreek, maar die speelstyl, intensiteit ens tussen suid en noord halfrond is nie dieselfde nie. Dan het die bok bestuur nie veel se oor die spelers se kondisionering nie, hulle kannie op trend bly met bok gameplans nie ens ens ens.....

SARU moet dan eerder daarop fokus om sekere spelers te teiken en terug te bring SA toe
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Originally posted by valie valie wrote:

Originally posted by Lion4ever Lion4ever wrote:

Malherbe is injured, as is Wilco. Julian has retired. Coenie is injured and inconsistent. Ruan D is a walking penalty zone at the moment. The Tank is transitioning from 1 to 3, and with the exception of one or 2 games has not impressed, so its hard to see him make an impact in the next 2 years. Trevor, constantly struggles with fitness, and IMO is better suited to 1, where he started. Unfortunately that leaves us with very little at 3. Are any names that I have missed?
I would rather say he needs to see who performs in SR, before investing a lot of money to bring someone like Koch, who tend to struggle a lot in the scrums, back.
True, but at the moment we do have a shortage of quality tight head props. I am against retreading loose heads at SR or test level to tight heads. It takes about 3-5 years for a loose head to to make the change properly. I think Thomas Du Toit is really going to struggle this year, as the Sharks try to turn him into a no 3. Just as we saw with Coenie and Trevor.
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