Ek stem. As hulle die kans kry moet hulle dit vat voor hulle vir die Bokke gekies word en soos Rohan vir geen ander internationale span mag speel nie.

Op 'n politiese noot: Ek glo meeste mense wie landuit is sal op die 1ste vliegtuig terug wees as kwotas, BBBEE en AA verwyder word, al is dit vir minder geld.

Ander lande is lekker vir vakansie, maar dis crap om daar te bly in vergelyking met hoe dit in SA kan/ behoort te wees.

The reality is that the guys that are good enough AND work hard enough WILL make it, irrespective of the system.

The young lads, mustn't lose hope and they must keep on fighting. You cant ignore someone that knocks on the door very hard, forever. 

What I've seen is talented youngsters enjoying varsity life too much. They end up losing focus and not making it and then blame quota system.

Our superugby teams are full of talented players of all colors. 

If that boy from Afrikaans hoer seunskool , that received the best rugby coaching, nutrition and probably life coaching should work a little harder to make it vs the kid that can only eat a proper meal every 2nd day. Then I am okay with that.

Rugby is about character and resilience. Pushing yourself to the mental and physical limits. When a challenge comes up , you must have the strength to work trough that. 

At the same token, if someone goes offshore to develop and if playing for SA and the boks just isn't that important , then that's fine as well. Let them go and I wish them well. I am proud of a guy like CJ stander, even If he plays for Ireland.

Niela, I'm going to disagree with several of your statements. 

"The reality is that the guys that are good enough AND work hard enough WILL make it, irrespective of the system. The young lads, mustn't lose hope and they must keep on fighting. You cant ignore someone that knocks on the door very hard, forever."

Yes, obviously everyone must work hard and with perseverance will prevail. But why must someone that deserves to be in a team waste a number of his best years, sitting in line behind someone less deserving? Maybe deserving isn't the right word, rather "better". You have player A and player B. Player A is better than player B, but is not chosen because of his skin colour. Now he has to "stick it out" for several years hoping he'd one day get a chance?

"If that boy from Afrikaans hoer seunskool , that received the best rugby coaching, nutrition and probably life coaching should work a little harder to make it vs the kid that can only eat a proper meal every 2nd day. Then I am okay with that." 

I have a serious problem with this statement. You are generalizing here and insinuating that all afrikaans kids are privileged and getting the best coaching money can buy, and the 2nd kid only eating every 2nd day is not white I presume? There are MANY poor white, afrikaans people in this country. Not all white kids that make it into professional sports teams were privileged, and not all blacks were disadvantaged. In fact, I'd bet my house (that I don't even have) that most of today's black sportsmen went to elite schools. Kagiso Rabada comes to mind first, both his parents are Dr's. 

My point is, white kids have to work just as hard, if not harder, to make it into professional sport in SA. They don't walk into teams just because they're the right skin colour.. 

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Tell that to a player like Jaco Kriel, who has only played 11 tests of which most was from the bench, despite being the best player in his position for probably 5 years, while Kolisi has played 50 despite being in the team most of the time while performing poorly.

Jaco would have played more than 50 tests had he been in any other country in the world and he would have been a legend in most... 

Niela wrote: If that boy from Afrikaans hoer seunskool , that received the best rugby coaching, nutrition and probably life coaching should work a little harder to make it vs the kid that can only eat a proper meal every 2nd day. Then I am okay with that.

So you claim every white kid is privileged and therefor should be penalized?

I am sorry, I will never be okay with racism whether it is black or white people that gets discriminated against because of the colour of their skin...

Generally speaking a kid that goes to affies is probably more privileged than most (Black or white), I went to EG Jansen, I grew up in Boksburg and we were a very middle class family with no money for any luxuries or trying to make me a better rugby player. 

In the end my best effort was playing UJ 2nd XV and representing the lions in 7's. I had to juggle working and studying and playing rugby. The rich kids didn't have that problem and many of them had the best supplements, personal trainers (and Steriods).

It is what it is, that is life.

I played hooker behind a guy like Edgar Maratule,  He earned a huge salary for playing rugby , he was in fact a privileged black player vs my situation. But , If I had to honestly look at it, I should have worked harder and I shouldn't have blamed the system or anyone else for me not making it. 

In my first post I said "The reality is that the guys that are good enough AND work hard enough WILL make it, irrespective of the system"

Sitting back and blaming quotas or limited opportunity is just not the answer, there are many people out there with much bigger problems. 

From overseas yes, not in SA.

Niela, the fact of the matter is sport teams in SA are picked not based purely on merit, but on skin colour as well. And that is a fact that no-one can dispute, and it is wrong and racist. 

Disadvantaged player development (any colour!) must happen from the bottom up, not the top down. Help schools in poor and rural areas with facilities, coaching and whatever. That way you give kids (any colour!) that wouldn't normally have an option of playing rugby the opportunity to play the game. That's how it should be done

Yes, I agree 100%. We must develop from grass roots up and give as much kids as possible a fair shot. 

On your other point "You don't think picking player A over player B just because of his skin colour is wrong?"

It is a very complex issue.

The overwhelming majority of poor people are still non whites. (I am not saying white people are not poor, there are many poor white people as well).

In my view, I would rather give more youngsters a go at lower levels and give them a chance in order to pick only on merit at senior level VS picking on merit at lower levels, then having under represented teams and then being forced to pick the wrong players on S15 and springbok level.

If that white kid didn't make the Lions u/16 side its not the end of the world. Keep on working, keep on pushing , until you cannot be ignored by any coach. 

Compare that to us not having a good enough talent pool to choose from and we get thrashed by other sides week in week out. Rugby will lose its appeal and become redundant. 

Again, complex issue. I don't think there is a right or wrong here. 

" On your other point "You don't think picking player A over player B just because of his skin colour is wrong?"

It is a very complex issue."

Vir skole net om ordentlik te funksioneer en om kinders net te leer is deesdae amper onmoontlik. Daar is verskeie redes daarvoor, maar een van die grootstes is dat ouers nie hul kinders ordentlik grootmaak nie en dat die juffrou heeldag moet staan en met kinders raas en kinders dissiplineer eerder as om hulle te leer. Dus, is rugby ontwikkeling redelik laag op alle skole se prioriteitlys, en dis reg so.

Die ontwikkeling van rugby le nie net by skole nie. Dis hoofliks die staat en SA Rugby se verantwoordelikheid en die maklikste manier vir hul om dit te doen is deur klubs. Waar dit nie saakmaak of jou pa die skool 1ste span se sakke geborg het nie. Daar is almal saam, maak nie saak van jou skool, ras, inkomstegroep nie. Maar die klubs se vootbestaan is net so erg in gedrang en nog heelwat gaan toemaak in die volgende paar jaar.