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Topic: Match 120 - Bulls vs Lions
Posted By: Transvaal
Subject: Match 120 - Bulls vs Lions
Date Posted: 10-Jun-2019 at 8:16am
Saturday 15 June 2019 in Pretoria, kickoff at 17:15 SA Time

Referee: TBA
AR1: TBA
AR2: TBA
TMO: TBA

Bulls: 15 Warrick Gelant , 14 Cornal Hendricks, 13 Johnny Kotze, 12 Burger Odendaal, 11 Rosko Specman, 10 Handre Pollard (captain), 9 Andre Warner, 8 Duane Vermeulen, 7 Hanro Liebenberg, 6 Marco van Staden, 5 RG Snyman, 4 Jannes Kirsten, 3 Trevor Nyakane, 2 Jaco Visagie, 1 Lizo Gqoboka  
Replacements: 16 Johan Grobbelaar, 17 Simphiwe Matanzima, 18 Wiehahn Herbst, 19 Eli Snyman, 20 Ruan Steenkamp, 21 Ivan van Zyl,  22 Manie Libbok, Divan Rossouw 

Lions: 15. Andries Coetzee; 14. Tyrone Green, 13. Lionel Mapoe, 12. Elton Jantjies, 11. Aphiwe Dyantyi; 10. Shaun Reynolds, 9. Ross Cronje; 8. Hacjivah Dayimani, 7. Vincent Tshituka, 6. Cyle Brink, 5. Marvin Orie, 4. Rhyno Herbst, 3. Carlu Sadie, 2. Malcolm Marx (Capt), 1. Dylan Smith. 
Replacements: 16. Jan-Henning Campher, 17. Nathan McBeth, 18. Johannes Jonker, 19. Reinhard Nothnagel, 20. Marnus Schoeman, 21. Dillon Smit, 22. Wandisele Simelane, 23. Courtnall Skosan

LionsWorld Prediction: Lions by 7



Replies:
Posted By: petri
Date Posted: 10-Jun-2019 at 9:17am
Is daar al nuus oor Kwagga se besering?


Posted By: Transvaal
Date Posted: 10-Jun-2019 at 9:23am
Swys het in die video onderhoud na die wedstryd Saterdag gese ten minste 6 weke


Posted By: Leeubok
Date Posted: 10-Jun-2019 at 9:48am
Originally posted by Transvaal Transvaal wrote:

Swys het in die video onderhoud na die wedstryd Saterdag gese ten minste 6 weke

Eina, dis n groot terugslag! 


Posted By: TunaLion
Date Posted: 10-Jun-2019 at 10:15am
Nic Groom se tweede laaste wedstryd by ons! Yipeeeeeee!


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Posted By: Transvaal
Date Posted: 10-Jun-2019 at 10:18am
Ek wonder nog steeds wie het hom geindentifiseer as iemand wat ons nodig gehad het......


Posted By: Attie Karate
Date Posted: 10-Jun-2019 at 10:23am
Originally posted by Transvaal Transvaal wrote:

Ek wonder nog steeds wie het hom geindentifiseer as iemand wat ons nodig gehad het......
Sy agent...


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Up the Vaal!


Posted By: Paul
Date Posted: 10-Jun-2019 at 10:28am
Ek persoonlik hoop dat ons saterdag nie wen nie. Ek dink dit dal ons spaar om te travel vir die kwart final. Ons moet die jaar maar afskryf en begin focus op volgende jaar. Glo ook ons gaan nog n klompie manne verloor na afloop van die wereldbeker. 


Posted By: Leeubok
Date Posted: 10-Jun-2019 at 10:30am
Originally posted by Transvaal Transvaal wrote:

Ek wonder nog steeds wie het hom geindentifiseer as iemand wat ons nodig gehad het......

Nie net Groom nie. Orie, Franco Naude en Lewies was ook nie goeie kopies nie. Orie se workrate is regtig goed, hy tackle sy hart uit. Maar die res van sy spel is maar swak. Hy het baie swak hande en maak 'n klomp foute in die lynstane en algemene spel (soos die afskop teen Canes wat hy gemis het). Naude lyk maar swak, en Lewies het hier en daar n goeie game gehad maar andersins baie average


Posted By: Leeubok
Date Posted: 10-Jun-2019 at 10:33am
Originally posted by Paul Paul wrote:

Ek persoonlik hoop dat ons saterdag nie wen nie. Ek dink dit dal ons spaar om te travel vir die kwart final. Ons moet die jaar maar afskryf en begin focus op volgende jaar. Glo ook ons gaan nog n klompie manne verloor na afloop van die wereldbeker. 

As ons teen die Brumbies of Jags speel het ons nog n buitekans om die semis te haal. Dan sal ek se ons seisoen was redelik suksesvol, met al die gesukkel en beserings wat ons gehad het. Maar ons moet nog eers die bulls klop om die kwarteindrondte te maak.. 


Posted By: petri
Date Posted: 10-Jun-2019 at 10:51am
Nie die wedstryd gesien nie, maar dit het oor die radio geklink of ons ore aangesit is by die afbreekpunte. Wettig of nie, ek verstaan nie hoekom ons nie 'n teenvoeter daarvoor gehad het nie. En as hulle die bal op die grond kan speel, dan moes ons dit ook gedoen het. Maar dit het vir my geklink asof ons maar net ONS game gespeel het, en gehoop het dat die Canes op 'n stadium ons gaan begin toelaat om te speel.


Posted By: Attie Karate
Date Posted: 10-Jun-2019 at 1:12pm
Originally posted by Leeubok Leeubok wrote:

Originally posted by Transvaal Transvaal wrote:

Ek wonder nog steeds wie het hom geindentifiseer as iemand wat ons nodig gehad het......

Nie net Groom nie. Orie, Franco Naude en Lewies was ook nie goeie kopies nie. Orie se workrate is regtig goed, hy tackle sy hart uit. Maar die res van sy spel is maar swak. Hy het baie swak hande en maak 'n klomp foute in die lynstane en algemene spel (soos die afskop teen Canes wat hy gemis het). Naude lyk maar swak, en Lewies het hier en daar n goeie game gehad maar andersins baie average
 

So ook Schoeman. Nevermind die strafskoppe wat hy afstaan in die rucks, jy weet hy gaan ander tjol aanjaag iewers. Baie spelers se puik oomblikke word uitgekanselleer deur net so baie idiotiese oomblikke deur die wedstryd.


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Posted By: Leeubok
Date Posted: 10-Jun-2019 at 1:40pm
Ek hou nouweer van Schoeman. Hy het vroeer die seisoen toe hy meer games begin het uitstekend gespeel. Ja hy staan baie strafskoppe af, maar baie daarvan het ek gevoel was onregverdig. Hy is ook moeilik om grond toe te bring en maak goeie meters. Hy is baie dieselfde tipe speler as Kwagga


Posted By: Attie Karate
Date Posted: 10-Jun-2019 at 2:02pm
Originally posted by Leeubok Leeubok wrote:

Ek hou nouweer van Schoeman. Hy het vroeer die seisoen toe hy meer games begin het uitstekend gespeel. Ja hy staan baie strafskoppe af, maar baie daarvan het ek gevoel was onregverdig. Hy is ook moeilik om grond toe te bring en maak goeie meters. Hy is baie dieselfde tipe speler as Kwagga
Ek like hom ook baie, hy het ook maar net (soos baie spelers die seisoen) te veel mamparra-oomblikke.


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Up the Vaal!


Posted By: Transvaal
Date Posted: 10-Jun-2019 at 2:04pm
Attie, jy moet net in gedagte hou dat hulle op die log eerste kyk na log punte, dan wenne en dan eers punteverskil


Posted By: Transvaal
Date Posted: 10-Jun-2019 at 2:08pm
Huidiglik het die Chiefs en Highlanders byvoorbeeld 31 log punte, maar die Chiefs het 6 wenne en die Landers 5, so al is die Chiefs se punteverskil -65 en die Landers +12, is die Chiefs bo die Landers op die log


Posted By: Attie Karate
Date Posted: 10-Jun-2019 at 2:08pm
Originally posted by Transvaal Transvaal wrote:

Attie, jy moet net in gedagte hou dat hulle op die log eerste kyk na log punte, dan wenne en dan eers punteverskil
Oukei, post delete.

As Leeus verloor teen Bulls sonder 'n bonuspunt gaan ons 8ste eindig en dan wen ons 'n heerlike, yskoue week in NZ en dan moet ons teen die Crusaders speel.


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Up the Vaal!


Posted By: Transvaal
Date Posted: 10-Jun-2019 at 2:09pm
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Posted By: Transvaal
Date Posted: 10-Jun-2019 at 2:12pm
Dis 'n snaakse opset, in SA (curriebeker ens...) kyk ons gewoonlik na log punte en dan punteverskil, weet nie hoekom die Super Rugby kompetsie altyd met sulke snaaksies uitkom nie. Wie onthou nog die een jaar toe jy punte vir 'n bye gekry het?


Posted By: Attie Karate
Date Posted: 10-Jun-2019 at 2:13pm
Originally posted by Attie Karate Attie Karate wrote:

Originally posted by Transvaal Transvaal wrote:

Attie, jy moet net in gedagte hou dat hulle op die log eerste kyk na log punte, dan wenne en dan eers punteverskil
Oukei, post delete.

As Leeus verloor teen Bulls sonder 'n bonuspunt gaan ons 8ste eindig en dan wen ons 'n heerlike, yskoue week in NZ en dan moet ons teen die Crusaders speel.


Jip, ek het gesien.

Verder, as ons wen teen die Bulls kry ons 'n heerlike, yskoue week in NZ en dan moet ons teen die Hurricanes speel.


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Up the Vaal!


Posted By: ROOIHART
Date Posted: 10-Jun-2019 at 2:18pm
Originally posted by Attie Karate Attie Karate wrote:

Originally posted by Transvaal Transvaal wrote:

Attie, jy moet net in gedagte hou dat hulle op die log eerste kyk na log punte, dan wenne en dan eers punteverskil
Oukei, post delete.

As Leeus verloor teen Bulls sonder 'n bonuspunt gaan ons 8ste eindig en dan wen ons 'n heerlike, yskoue week in NZ en dan moet ons teen die Crusaders speel.

As ons verloor teen Bulls sonder BP is ons nie 8 gewaarborg. Ons het 35 pte. Dws indien die Highlanders (31 pte) dan 5 (Bp wen) uit hulle game vat sal ons dit nie maak.


Posted By: Attie Karate
Date Posted: 10-Jun-2019 at 2:28pm
Originally posted by ROOIHART ROOIHART wrote:

Originally posted by Attie Karate Attie Karate wrote:

Originally posted by Transvaal Transvaal wrote:

Attie, jy moet net in gedagte hou dat hulle op die log eerste kyk na log punte, dan wenne en dan eers punteverskil
Oukei, post delete.

As Leeus verloor teen Bulls sonder 'n bonuspunt gaan ons 8ste eindig en dan wen ons 'n heerlike, yskoue week in NZ en dan moet ons teen die Crusaders speel.

As ons verloor teen Bulls sonder BP is ons nie 8 gewaarborg. Ons het 35 pte. Dws indien die Highlanders (31 pte) dan 5 (Bp wen) uit hulle game vat sal ons dit nie maak.


Sorry, jy's reg. Ek wou sê verloor met 'n bonuspunt.


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Up the Vaal!


Posted By: Transvaal
Date Posted: 10-Jun-2019 at 2:33pm
Die lekker ding is dat ons wedstryd heel laaste is so ons sal weet wat nodig is net voor afskop


Posted By: Niela
Date Posted: 10-Jun-2019 at 2:40pm
The nice this is that we will know the outcomes of the games before kick off, so we will know exactly what is needed on the day.

I am hoping that we end 7th or 6th, that will give us a shot at a possible semi final.

Play off games are play off games. ANYTHING can happen on the day, the normal season means nothing and if you are on the field come the play offs, you have a chance.

I still maintain, that we are/were average all year, but in with a shout. The Bulls simply cant get better and  they are in the exact same position as us. (With all their "Stars") . 

The guys also like to criticize our coaches, I am certain that if Swys and co were at the sharks , stormers or Bulls, then they would have topped the conference this year.

We are in a obvious building phase , yet we are in contention of a play off spot. That is good enough for me.

If we were in this position in 2017 I would have been really disappointed, but given the cards we were dealt, a play off spot is a okay result for us. 

Next year MANY SA based players are leaving , we can only build on this season. But we MUST retain SADIE and we must work on our depth at lock and scrum half. 




Posted By: Leeubok
Date Posted: 10-Jun-2019 at 3:20pm
Originally posted by Niela Niela wrote:

The nice this is that we will know the outcomes of the games before kick off, so we will know exactly what is needed on the day.

I am hoping that we end 7th or 6th, that will give us a shot at a possible semi final.

Play off games are play off games. ANYTHING can happen on the day, the normal season means nothing and if you are on the field come the play offs, you have a chance.

I still maintain, that we are/were average all year, but in with a shout. The Bulls simply cant get better and  they are in the exact same position as us. (With all their "Stars") . 

The guys also like to criticize our coaches, I am certain that if Swys and co were at the sharks , stormers or Bulls, then they would have topped the conference this year.

We are in a obvious building phase , yet we are in contention of a play off spot. That is good enough for me.

If we were in this position in 2017 I would have been really disappointed, but given the cards we were dealt, a play off spot is a okay result for us. 

Next year MANY SA based players are leaving , we can only build on this season. But we MUST retain SADIE and we must work on our depth at lock and scrum half. 



Niela, please don't take this the wrong way, it's not aimed at you personally. But it annoys the living crap out of me when people use the phrase "we are building". Even with all the players we lost and more guys out injured, we have a fairly settled squad and a lot of experience! 

Our entire starting backline consist of VERY experienced guys with 100's of caps between them. The most inexperienced player is Aphiwe (the incumbent bok wing), in his 2nd full season. Then on the bench we have exciting new talent in Green, Reynolds, Simelani etc. Combrinck can't even make the squad!

Amongst the forwards we have the best hooker in the world, Dylan Smith a very competent prop and Sadie has shown he has what it takes too. Orie is in his 2nd/3rd full season with us, and Lewies isn't inexperienced either. Among the loosies we have kwagga (albeit injured now), Schoeman (2nd full season) and Brink (very experienced. Tsihtsuka (spelling?) is new, Dayamani 2nd season I think?

My point is, we have a settled squad and a good mix of very experienced players and exciting new talent. We are NOT in a building phase. We might be next year if we lose half the team, but so far a number of players have put pen to paper to stay on, so I'm hoping we don't lose too many guys. 


Posted By: Niela
Date Posted: 10-Jun-2019 at 4:55pm
@Leeubok

Haha, I dont get take things personally. I want us to be the best team in SA and in super rugby, we all want that. 

Our backline is settled yes, but our biggest issues start upfront.

You can have the best backline in the world, you wont win if you dont have the forwards. Just ask the Crusaders.

The Crusaders, ONE starting all black back, ONE. Yet everyone goes on about how dangerous they are. They are dangerous, but their backs are good because the forwards lay the platform first.

As supporters We must be critical and always strive to be better, however we must be fair as well , what you say is 100% correct  , but that doesn't mean we have the depth we had in the past or that we should have to get to a final.

I never use the "we are building excuse" It annoys me as well, However this year , for the very first time I actually feel that we are definitely in a building phase. We haven't been building for the last 4 years, not at all. 

Yes, we have many caps in the backs and we have the best hooker in the world. BUT we simply don't have the depth to win super rugby. That is the major issue, Depth. Saying we are in a building phase is also not just referring to who we do have, but also who we dont have. 

We need to build that depth again. The guy that starts AND the up and coming youngster. 

Everyone knows that rugby is controlled by the golden thread. 

2. Marx (We literally cannot do better here)
4. Lost Ferreira and Erasmus . We have an depth issue here
5. Lost Sous . Between Marx and sous, probably the best 2 lions players we had on the park teh last 3 years. We are struggling to find someone new here.
8. WW and Kwagga , both not playing much. We dont have an answer. 
9. Lost Faf , massive loss for us, our game relies on SPEED, with Faf gone we are just not as effective.
10. We never to the time to get a backup for Elton . HUGE OWN GOAL.
15. Coetzee started off poorly, but stepped up in the last couple of games. Green also looking like a very able backup (Or starter) at 15.

So in the key positions on the field, we only have 2 and 15 covered. All the others we just dont have world class players or decent back up come injuries. 

We have great talent coming trough, but again it takes time for them to settle in and this year they must just get experience and game time. Guys like :

Tsihtsuka, Lombaard, Green, Sadie, Simelane. 

Again, we need to groom new 9's (I know), and more locks. Find the next Sous , but also that solid lock combo that works well together. 





Posted By: Leeubok
Date Posted: 11-Jun-2019 at 8:40am
Niela, I do agree 100% that we donn't have the depth. In that sense we are building, as Swys blooded a number of youngsters this year. Hopefully next year they will do even better. 

I've said throughout this season our major problem is at lock - so in agreement there. 

Loose forward I think we are reasonably covered. A bit less so now that Kwagga and WW are both out, but I think a combination of Brink, Schoeman, Thsituka/Daymani isn't too bad. Brink will have to step up and rediscover his form of 2018 before he got injured. 

As for Faf - he left a number of years ago and Ross has done well to fill the void. He's not nearly the same player as Faf however. So here I blame whoever had the brainfart of thinking hmmm.. Who can we replace Faf with? I know, Nick Groom! That guy must be shot!

In general I think our squad should've performed better than they did this year. With the lack of depth at the moment losing against a strong NZ or Aus team is one thing, but  to win only 1 game out of 5 against SA opposition so far is just not acceptable. If we beat the Bulls we'll be on 2/6 against SA teams. That is shocking considering our dominance the previous 3 years


Posted By: LeeuBrul
Date Posted: 11-Jun-2019 at 9:09am
Ek sal dalk Vermaak,Schoeman en Brink last speel die naweek as my Los trio

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Posted By: Red_Machine
Date Posted: 11-Jun-2019 at 1:04pm
So Marius vd Westhuizen will cost the lions the game this weekend.. I dont know what we have done to deserve all this hate from the referees and officials.

As for the loose trio, I hope we get to see James Venter this weekend.


Posted By: PaBz0r
Date Posted: 11-Jun-2019 at 2:12pm
Glad I don't have to pick the loose trio this weekend. 


Posted By: Attie Karate
Date Posted: 11-Jun-2019 at 3:33pm
Ten spyte van enige versagtende omstandighede is die seisoen 'n mislukking sover. Al word dit gesien as 'n bou-fase of oorgangsfase is dit steeds 'n mislukking- kyk maar hoe pateties vaar ons in die SRC ook. Kan nie sien hoe dit veel beter gaan gaan in CC nie. En ook nie volgende jaar nie. Ons spelers speel net helfde van die tyd op hul standaard en die afrigtingskorps blyk nie bevoeg om hul planne aan die spelers oor te dra.

Ons kan bly wees die res van die spanne in die kompetisie speel almal ook maar sleg, want kom ons wees maar eerlik- al ding wat swakker was die jaar as die spel is die refs.


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Posted By: Attie Karate
Date Posted: 11-Jun-2019 at 3:36pm
Originally posted by Red_Machine Red_Machine wrote:

So Marius vd Westhuizen will cost the lions the game this weekend.. I dont know what we have done to deserve all this hate from the referees and officials.

As for the loose trio, I hope we get to see James Venter this weekend.


Dayimani on the wing all the time drives me crazy. He's there so much it seems that he is told to do so.


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Up the Vaal!


Posted By: Red_Machine
Date Posted: 12-Jun-2019 at 8:40am
Did anyone else feel that Reynolds was "flat" on Saturday? He doesn't seem to offer any attacking punch, he does the basics well but a guy like Lombard is dangerous i don't get that same feeling from Shaun.



Posted By: Leeubok
Date Posted: 12-Jun-2019 at 9:17am
Originally posted by Red_Machine Red_Machine wrote:

Did anyone else feel that Reynolds was "flat" on Saturday? He doesn't seem to offer any attacking punch, he does the basics well but a guy like Lombard is dangerous i don't get that same feeling from Shaun.


Yes, I did too. The entire backline was flat. Each guy got the ball almost standing still, and then it looked like they didn't know what to do. 

But the previous game they were brilliant, so I don't think one should write Reynolds off after 1 bad game. He also did really well that one game he played at 12 next to Jantjies, so he can run with the ball the day he feels like it (or the coaches tell him he can)


Posted By: Leeubok
Date Posted: 12-Jun-2019 at 9:18am
Originally posted by Leeubok Leeubok wrote:

Originally posted by Red_Machine Red_Machine wrote:

Did anyone else feel that Reynolds was "flat" on Saturday? He doesn't seem to offer any attacking punch, he does the basics well but a guy like Lombard is dangerous i don't get that same feeling from Shaun.


Yes, I did too. The entire backline was flat. Each guy got the ball almost standing still, and then it looked like they didn't know what to do. 

But the previous game they were brilliant, so I don't think one should write Reynolds off after 1 bad game. He also did really well that one game he played at 12 next to Jantjies, so he can run with the ball the day he feels like it (or the coaches tell him he can)

But Elton seems to have hit a terrible dip in form. he's making too many very costly mistakes. I would start with Reynolds again


Posted By: Attie Karate
Date Posted: 12-Jun-2019 at 9:41am
Originally posted by Leeubok Leeubok wrote:

Originally posted by Leeubok Leeubok wrote:

Originally posted by Red_Machine Red_Machine wrote:

Did anyone else feel that Reynolds was "flat" on Saturday? He doesn't seem to offer any attacking punch, he does the basics well but a guy like Lombard is dangerous i don't get that same feeling from Shaun.


Yes, I did too. The entire backline was flat. Each guy got the ball almost standing still, and then it looked like they didn't know what to do. 

But the previous game they were brilliant, so I don't think one should write Reynolds off after 1 bad game. He also did really well that one game he played at 12 next to Jantjies, so he can run with the ball the day he feels like it (or the coaches tell him he can)

But Elton seems to have hit a terrible dip in form. he's making too many very costly mistakes. I would start with Reynolds again


The 'Canes's rush defence/ offside all the time made it impossible for the backs to play. All we did to counter this was try and get the ball wide as soon as possible which obviously didn't wok.


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Posted By: Niela
Date Posted: 12-Jun-2019 at 9:50am
We need to counter the Bulls physically , we cant get bullied. It happened against the sharks and in a sense against the canes as well, that puts the backs on the back foot.

Here is my starting XV for the weekend. 

1. Smith
2. Marx.
3. Saide
4. Nothnagel
5. Orie
6. Venter
7. Tshituka
8. Brink
9. Cronje
10. Jantjies 
11. Dyanti
12. Voster
13. Mapoe
14. Skosan
15. Coetzee

Venter is a bit bulkier and could bring the physicality , would like to see how he combines with a Tshituka. 

Brink probably a little slow for an 8, but vs a team like the bulls that wouldn't be an issue anyway. With those 3 loosies, I think we can match them . (Plus we have Marx...)

Our scrum should dominate , no issues there.

Line outs could be an issue, They have very tall locks and I am concerned that they steal our ball.

The backs are pretty evenly matched, I feel that our back 3 is stronger and we can hit them out wide. 

The nice thing about the bulls is that their defensive line speed is very slow, so although they defend well, they are not in your face, so that plays into our hands, we should look a lot less "flat" vs last weekend.




Posted By: Goue Leeu
Date Posted: 12-Jun-2019 at 11:20am
I am not convinced that Nothnagel is ready for this level yet, but guess we don't have many options at lock. Will Lewies still be out?


Posted By: knersus
Date Posted: 12-Jun-2019 at 11:54am
Originally posted by Attie Karate Attie Karate wrote:

Originally posted by Leeubok Leeubok wrote:

Originally posted by Leeubok Leeubok wrote:

Originally posted by Red_Machine Red_Machine wrote:

Did anyone else feel that Reynolds was "flat" on Saturday? He doesn't seem to offer any attacking punch, he does the basics well but a guy like Lombard is dangerous i don't get that same feeling from Shaun.


Yes, I did too. The entire backline was flat. Each guy got the ball almost standing still, and then it looked like they didn't know what to do. 

But the previous game they were brilliant, so I don't think one should write Reynolds off after 1 bad game. He also did really well that one game he played at 12 next to Jantjies, so he can run with the ball the day he feels like it (or the coaches tell him he can)

But Elton seems to have hit a terrible dip in form. he's making too many very costly mistakes. I would start with Reynolds again


The 'Canes's rush defence/ offside all the time made it impossible for the backs to play. All we did to counter this was try and get the ball wide as soon as possible which obviously didn't wok.

Any form of rush defence, pushing offside line, has been a big problem for the lions the past 3-4 seasons.


Posted By: Transvaal
Date Posted: 13-Jun-2019 at 7:32am
Bulle se span opgedateer


Posted By: Red_Machine
Date Posted: 13-Jun-2019 at 11:02am
Very strong bulls team, I'm more than a little worried.


Posted By: Niela
Date Posted: 13-Jun-2019 at 11:07am
I will only start worrying when I see our side.

If we pick the right combinations we can beat them.

It could be a cracking game, looking forward to it. We basically have 4 knock out games to go LOL

They have also been on a very long tour, and although they performed very well, they must be a little tired. 




Posted By: PaBz0r
Date Posted: 13-Jun-2019 at 2:17pm
No team announcement? Do we still have a team?


Posted By: Simba
Date Posted: 13-Jun-2019 at 2:19pm
I am a nervous wreck jumping from 1 site to another with no luck! When are they announcing the team? D

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Posted By: PaBz0r
Date Posted: 13-Jun-2019 at 2:22pm
Originally posted by Simba Simba wrote:

I am a nervous wreck jumping from 1 site to another with no luck! When are they announcing the team? D

Maybe we have some more injury concerns.. Maybe we are playing mind games? Maybe we are sending them the points? 

I hope that they have a big announcement later.. perhaps more signings? 


Posted By: monster
Date Posted: 13-Jun-2019 at 2:42pm
Originally posted by PaBz0r PaBz0r wrote:

Originally posted by Simba Simba wrote:

I am a nervous wreck jumping from 1 site to another with no luck! When are they announcing the team? D

Maybe we have some more injury concerns.. Maybe we are playing mind games? Maybe we are sending them the points? 

I hope that they have a big announcement later.. perhaps more signings? 

Maybe WW is ready to play!


Posted By: Niela
Date Posted: 13-Jun-2019 at 2:45pm
If WW is ready I would change my loosies from
6. Venter
7. Tshituka
8. Brink

to 

6. Brink
7. Tshituka
8. WW

And give Venter a run from the bench


Posted By: monster
Date Posted: 13-Jun-2019 at 3:20pm
Sien die span word eers more aangekondig .... vlg die berig op supersport wat handel oor Bulle se emosies


Posted By: Transvaal
Date Posted: 13-Jun-2019 at 3:38pm
Ja jammer span word eers Vrydag aangekondig vir die een


Posted By: ROOIHART
Date Posted: 14-Jun-2019 at 8:38am
So dit lyk asof ons terughou met span aankondiging want daar word eers gekyk na Vrydag (vandag) se uitslae. Wen Chiefs en Highlanders sonder BP is ons klaar deur...dws niks keer ons om ‘n verswakte span na Loftus te stuur.

Ek glo nie die Aussies gaan die nz spanne uithou....maar dinge kan interresant raak. As dit wel so uitwerk kan ons dinge manipuleer dat ons eerder Arg toe gaan as Wellington toe.

Weet nie of ons krediet verdien omdat ons actually daaroor dink en of ons dalk eerder kritiek verdien omdat ons dalk iets tegnies oneties beplan...

Wat dink julle?


Posted By: Leeubok
Date Posted: 14-Jun-2019 at 8:45am
Originally posted by ROOIHART ROOIHART wrote:

So dit lyk asof ons terughou met span aankondiging want daar word eers gekyk na Vrydag (vandag) se uitslae. Wen Chiefs en Highlanders sonder BP is ons klaar deur...dws niks keer ons om ‘n verswakte span na Loftus te stuur.

Ek glo nie die Aussies gaan die nz spanne uithou....maar dinge kan interresant raak. As dit wel so uitwerk kan ons dinge manipuleer dat ons eerder Arg toe gaan as Wellington toe.

Weet nie of ons krediet verdien omdat ons actually daaroor dink en of ons dalk eerder kritiek verdien omdat ons dalk iets tegnies oneties beplan...

Wat dink julle?

Hmm, ek hoop nie dit is wat hulle doen nie.. Hulle sal darem BAIE stupid lyk as ons die game teen die bulls gooi, Arg toe reis en daar ook n moerse pakslae kry!! Jy moet speel om ELKE wedstryd te wen! 


Posted By: Niela
Date Posted: 14-Jun-2019 at 9:30am
@Leeubok

We must give ourselves the best shot of a semi final and final.

Playing the canes and then Saders or vise versa (finishing 5th or 8th), is a death sentence. 

We must aim for 6th or 7th and all of a sudden we are in with a realistic shot. I back us to beat the Jags or brumbies in Quarter and semi finals.

If we have a "Choice" and results go our way, then I would do whatever it takes to be 6th or 7th


Posted By: Leeubok
Date Posted: 14-Jun-2019 at 9:37am
Originally posted by Niela Niela wrote:

@Leeubok

We must give ourselves the best shot of a semi final and final.

Playing the canes and then Saders or vise versa (finishing 5th or 8th), is a death sentence. 

We must aim for 6th or 7th and all of a sudden we are in with a realistic shot. I back us to beat the Jags or brumbies in Quarter and semi finals.

If we have a "Choice" and results go our way, then I would do whatever it takes to be 6th or 7th

Sorry but I don't agree. It goes against my morals to throw a game just to have an easier route to the final. And there is no guarantee that we will beat either the Brumbies or the Jags. And even if we do, the semi and finals will then most probably be in NZ. 

We have been mediocre this season, just making it to the knockout rounds will be good enough for me. 


Posted By: ROOIHART
Date Posted: 14-Jun-2019 at 9:52am
Die Highlanders reeds 14 pte voor so ons gaan waarskynlik moet speel vir ons plek!

Dink nie dit gaan so erg oor die roete eerder as om miskien eerder vars span te hê vir play offs...


Posted By: Niela
Date Posted: 14-Jun-2019 at 10:44am
haha, there are never any guarantees.

But there is mathematical probability , if the probability is higher taking one route vs another then thats the route I would take. 

I don't see it as an ethical thing at all, you make your own luck....
 




Posted By: Tin
Date Posted: 14-Jun-2019 at 11:50am
Jip en hoe langer jy inbly en weg speel kry jy nog geld ook, onthou ons moes ander spanne n hele paar rand betaal vir daai tuis 1/4 en 1/2 eindstryde. ideaal sal seker aussie span weg wees en dan daar rond hang vir n semi.... 


Posted By: Leeubok
Date Posted: 14-Jun-2019 at 11:58am
Highlanders het mos nou gewen met 'n BP so dit beteken ons MOET die bulle klop? 


Posted By: Niela
Date Posted: 14-Jun-2019 at 12:08pm
Nope

We can lose and still be 8th, but there are a few things that must still go our way.

Luckily we are the last team to play. 


Posted By: PaBz0r
Date Posted: 14-Jun-2019 at 12:09pm
The Emirates Lions made four changes for the all-important Vodacom Super Rugby clash with the Vodacom Bulls at Loftus on Saturday.

In their last match of the regular season Elton Jantjies comes in at centre, Hacjivah Dayimani starts at eight in the place of the injured Kwagga Smith, Rhyno Herbst returns to action to resume his lock partnership with Marvin Orie while Tyrone Green gets the nod at wing.

Reinhard Nothnagel and Courtnall Skosan drop to the bench, Dillon Smit is drafted into the match 23, as is Wandisile Simelane.

The Emirates Lions ended off their week of preparation with a Fan Fest signing session at Emirates Airline Park on Friday afternoon.

Kick-off is at 17:15.

Emirates Lions vs Vodacom Bulls: Andries Coetzee; Tyrone Green, Lionel Mapoe, Elton Jantjies, Aphiwe Dyantyi; Shaun Reynolds, Ross Cronje; Hacjivah Dayimani, Vincent Tshituka, Cyle Brink, Marvin Orie, Rhyno Herbst, Carlu Sadie, Malcolm Marx ©, Dylan Smith. Reserves: Jan-Henning Campher, Nathan McBeth, Johannes Jonker, Reinhard Nothnagel, Marnus Schoeman, Dillon Smit, Wandisele Simelane, Courtnall Skosan



Posted By: Transvaal
Date Posted: 14-Jun-2019 at 12:09pm
ons le 7de op die oomblik maar as die Rebels hier wen gaan hulle verby ons skuif. Chiefs kan net verby ons skuif as hulle wen met 'n bp


Posted By: Leeubok
Date Posted: 14-Jun-2019 at 12:18pm
Hmm, definitief meer jonges in daai span.. 


Posted By: Goue Leeu
Date Posted: 14-Jun-2019 at 12:36pm
Vorster moet beseer wees en Green verdien 'n begin.. seker ons sterkste beskikbare span


Posted By: Transvaal
Date Posted: 14-Jun-2019 at 12:53pm
Leeus opgedateer in eerste pos


Posted By: Niela
Date Posted: 14-Jun-2019 at 1:12pm
A good team

we must at a minimum lose with a bonus point.


Posted By: Goue Leeu
Date Posted: 14-Jun-2019 at 1:29pm
Following the results from this morning, we need at least one point from tomorrow`s game or we`ll be out.


Posted By: Niela
Date Posted: 14-Jun-2019 at 2:21pm
Agreed

A draw would probably be the best possible result for us and the Bulls 


Posted By: Transvaal
Date Posted: 15-Jun-2019 at 5:00pm
So 1 BP plaas ons 7de, 'n wen behoort ons 5de te plaas, geen BP en ons eindig 9de


Posted By: Transvaal
Date Posted: 15-Jun-2019 at 5:09pm
5de speel die Canes en 7de die Jaguares


Posted By: PaBz0r
Date Posted: 15-Jun-2019 at 5:10pm
probleem is ons kannie rerig die jags vermy as ons deurkom nie. Of jy gaan nz toe en dan soentoe of soentoe en dan nz toe


Posted By: TunaLion
Date Posted: 15-Jun-2019 at 5:48pm
Wel soos dinge nou lyk, gaan ons nie baie verder vorder in die komp nie...


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Go LIONS!!!!!


Posted By: gertjie0000
Date Posted: 15-Jun-2019 at 5:48pm
Dink die game som ons seisoen op


Posted By: TunaLion
Date Posted: 15-Jun-2019 at 5:49pm
In een seisoen het hulle n span 'gebou' wat blykbaar reeds beter is as ons wat nou vir twee jaar 'bou'....


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Go LIONS!!!!!


Posted By: knersus
Date Posted: 15-Jun-2019 at 6:04pm
Hierdie was 'n moeilike helfte van rugby gewees om te kyk.
Ons doen dom dinge op die slegste moontlike tye, en ons verloor alweer meters met elke duikslag. Stop nie hulle momentum nie.


Posted By: Vaal Leeu 3
Date Posted: 15-Jun-2019 at 6:08pm
Bulle is ook besig om ons emosioneel ore aan te sit. Ons sit hier op Loftus, na elke losgemaal of tackle stamp en stoot hulle aan die Leeus. Leeus reageer en verloor so focus. Malcolm Marx was al in n skree geveg met bulls slotte. Hy verloor konsentrasie, hulle lag en geniet game...


Posted By: LeeuBrul
Date Posted: 15-Jun-2019 at 6:08pm
Go boys

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Once a Lion always a lion


Posted By: Mr-T
Date Posted: 15-Jun-2019 at 6:10pm
as dit is hoe ons speel, verdien ons nie om in die play-offs te wees nie, hoop maar 2de helfte gaan beter.

Dan, dink Bulls se 2 en 3de drie moes nie gewees het nie, Sal weer die game kyk maar. 2de drie, Duane se skoonmaak my die ruck, gelyk of hy die man om die nek gehad het. Die 3de drie, gelyk of Trevor die bal vorentoe verloor het maar RG was by om bal te vat en toe score hulle.. Soos ek se, mag verkeerd wees sal weer moet kyk


Posted By: Leeubok
Date Posted: 15-Jun-2019 at 6:22pm
Originally posted by Mr-T Mr-T wrote:

as dit is hoe ons speel, verdien ons nie om in die play-offs te wees nie, hoop maar 2de helfte gaan beter.

Dan, dink Bulls se 2 en 3de drie moes nie gewees het nie, Sal weer die game kyk maar. 2de drie, Duane se skoonmaak my die ruck, gelyk of hy die man om die nek gehad het. Die 3de drie, gelyk of Trevor die bal vorentoe verloor het maar RG was by om bal te vat en toe score hulle.. Soos ek se, mag verkeerd wees sal weer moet kyk

Stem, as ons net 1 game uit 6 teen sa spanne kan wen verdien ons nie om in uitspeel rondtes te wees nie


Posted By: knersus
Date Posted: 15-Jun-2019 at 6:42pm
Ons duik so mis dit lyk of hulle oor hulle eie voete val...


Posted By: Vaal Leeu 3
Date Posted: 15-Jun-2019 at 6:44pm
Stem, hierdie span verdien nie om deur te gaan nie. En vlge jaar sien ek nog minder hoop. Ons het probleme in sleutel areas, slotte veral


Posted By: gertjie0000
Date Posted: 15-Jun-2019 at 6:46pm
Ek dink ons mense wat speulers recruite is die probleem die bulls se persoon wat spelers recruite is stukke beter as ons sin kyk hulle diepte en gehalte spelers wat hulle het


Posted By: emiel1
Date Posted: 15-Jun-2019 at 6:57pm
Dink nie werwing is die groot verskil nie. Ackerman het met minder talent meer uitgerig, en tot dusver lyk dit of Pote Human dieselfde doen vir die Bulls.


Posted By: Billy3
Date Posted: 15-Jun-2019 at 7:02pm
3 weke om Voor te berei vir Currie Cup! Moet coach aan stel. En laat swys op sy bokke fokus! 


Posted By: gertjie0000
Date Posted: 15-Jun-2019 at 7:03pm
Dink nie dis n seisoen wat ons wil onthou nie


Posted By: Leeubok
Date Posted: 15-Jun-2019 at 7:04pm
Van 3 finale na nie eens die uitklop rondtes haal nie.. How the mighty have fallenCry


Posted By: Transvaal
Date Posted: 15-Jun-2019 at 7:06pm
Die kwarteidstryde lyk so:

Saders vs Highlanders
Jaguares vs Chiefs
Brumbies vs Sharks
Hurricanes vs Bulls


Posted By: gertjie0000
Date Posted: 15-Jun-2019 at 7:09pm
Dis snaaks so pateties as wat die sharks die jaar was kan hulle dalk nog tot in die finaal kom hulle het nie n te moeilike roete nie


Posted By: Attie Karate
Date Posted: 15-Jun-2019 at 7:14pm
Patetiese einde tot ñ patetiese seisoen. Belaglike foute deur spelers, voorspelbaarheid op aanval met geen penetrasie, onverklaarbare spankeuses en bowenal skokkende verdediging het ons die seisoen gekos. 

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Up the Vaal!


Posted By: PaBz0r
Date Posted: 15-Jun-2019 at 7:33pm
Daarsy, nou kan die wat wil waai, waai. Ons kort ouens wat die effort wil insit en nie in die verlede lewe nie.

Ons moet begin fokus op rugby en ophou alles probeer rondslinger.


Posted By: TunaLion
Date Posted: 15-Jun-2019 at 9:14pm
Groom is gone!!!! Yipppeeeeeeeee!!!!!!!!


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Posted By: Transvaal
Date Posted: 18-Jun-2019 at 2:29pm
Hier is ons span wat in die 2016 finaal gespeel het teen die Canes:

15 Andries Coetzee, 14 Ruan Combrinck, 13 Lionel Mapoe, 12 Rohan Janse van Rensburg, 11 Courtnall Skosan, 10 Elton Jantjies, 9 Faf de Klerk, 8 Warren Whiteley (captain), 7 Warwick Tecklenburg, 6 Jaco Kriel, 5, Franco Mostert, 4 Andries Ferreira, 3 Julian Redelinghuys, 2 Malcolm Marx, 1 Dylon Smith
Substitutes: 16 Armand ‘Akker’ van der Merwe, 17 Corner Fourie, 18 Jacques van Rooyen, 19 Lourens Erasmus, 20 Ruan Ackermann, 21 Ross Cronje, 22 Howard Mnisi, 23 Jaco van der Walt

Vergelyk dit met ons laaste span wat Saterdag pak teen die Bulle gekry het:
15. Andries Coetzee; 14. Tyrone Green, 13. Lionel Mapoe, 12. Elton Jantjies, 11. Aphiwe Dyantyi; 10. Shaun Reynolds, 9. Ross Cronje; 8. Hacjivah Dayimani, 7. Vincent Tshituka, 6. Cyle Brink, 5. Marvin Orie, 4. Rhyno Herbst, 3. Carlu Sadie, 2. Malcolm Marx (Capt), 1. Dylan Smith. 
Replacements: 16. Jan-Henning Campher, 17. Nathan McBeth, 18. Johannes Jonker, 19. Reinhard Nothnagel, 20. Marnus Schoeman, 21. Dillon Smit, 22. Wandisele Simelane, 23. Courtnall Skosan

Begin XV - Net 5 spelers dieselfde, naamlik Andries Coetzee, Lionel Mapoe, Elton Jantjies, Malcolm Marx en Dylan Smith. 


Posted By: Leeubok
Date Posted: 18-Jun-2019 at 2:39pm
En die 2018 finaal? Dink dit sal meer regverdig wees om dit met laasjaar te vergelyk. 3 jaar is 'n lang tyd in rugby deesdae met die trand wat SA spelers waai.

En as mens Skosan bytel wat op die bank was, en Ross wat in 2016 op die bank was is dit 7 uit die 23 tal. 


Posted By: Transvaal
Date Posted: 18-Jun-2019 at 2:52pm
Ek probeer niks regverdig nie, ek persoonlik dink nog steeds die 2016 span was ons beste span en beste kans om die kompetisie te wen, en ek wou maar net wys dat baie dinge verander in 4 jaar se tyd, 4 jaar is 'n baie lang tyd in rugby terme.

Mylpale Saterdag - Tyrone Green se 10de SR wedstryd, en Marx se 10de SR wedstryd as kaptein


Posted By: Transvaal
Date Posted: 18-Jun-2019 at 2:56pm
Hier is die 2017 span in die finaal:

15 Andries Coetzee, 14 Ruan Combrinck, 13 Lionel Mapoe, 12 Harold Vorster, 11 Courtnall Skosan, 10 Elton Jantjies, 9 Ross Cronje, 8 Ruan Ackermann, 7 Kwagga Smith, 6 Jaco Kriel (captain), 5 Franco Mostert, 4 Andries Ferreira, 3 Ruan Dreyer, 2 Malcolm Marx, 1 Jacques van Rooyen
Substitutes: 16 Akker van der Merwe, 17 Corne Fourie, 18 Johannes Jonker, 19 Lourens Erasmus, 20 Cyle Brink, 21 Faf de Klerk, 22 Rohan Janse van Rensburg, 23 Sylvian Mahuza


2018 span in die finaal: 

2018: 15 Andries Coetzee, 14 Ruan Combrink, 13 Lionel Mapoe, 12 Harold Vorster, 11 Courtnall Skosan, 10 Elton Jantjies, 9 Ross Cronje, 8 Warren Whiteley (captain), 7 Cyle Brink, 6 Kwagga Smith, 5 Franco Mostert, 4 Marvin Orie, 3 Ruan Dreyer, 2 Malcolm Marx, 1 Jacques van Rooyen
Substitutes: 16 Corne Fourie, 17 Dylan Smith, 18 Johannes Jonker, 19 Lourens Erasmus, 20 Marnus Schoeman, 21 Dillon Smit, 22 Aphiwe Dyantyi, 23 Howard Mnisi




Posted By: Transvaal
Date Posted: 18-Jun-2019 at 3:00pm
So in vergelyking met laas jaar se finaal is net 7 spelers in die begin XV dieselfde


Posted By: Transvaal
Date Posted: 18-Jun-2019 at 3:02pm
En 11 van die wedstryd 23


Posted By: Transvaal
Date Posted: 18-Jun-2019 at 3:16pm
Originally posted by Transvaal Transvaal wrote:

So in vergelyking met laas jaar se finaal is net 7 spelers in die begin XV dieselfde

Mens verloor partykeer die groter prentjie uit die oog, ek dink as mens na hierdie stat kyk het Swys 'n baie moeilike taak gehad hierdie jaar.


Posted By: vdwestjo
Date Posted: 18-Jun-2019 at 3:31pm
Ja stem ons grootste verlies was Franco Mostert en hierdie jaar was ons baie dun in die losvoorspelers wat altyd ons sterk punt was. Maar die groot ligpunt is die getal jong spelers wat ons kon deurbring. Hopelik doen ons goed in die Currie Beker die jaar wat goeie dinge vir die toekoms sal voorspel

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Posted By: valie
Date Posted: 18-Jun-2019 at 3:52pm
Originally posted by Transvaal Transvaal wrote:

Originally posted by Transvaal Transvaal wrote:

So in vergelyking met laas jaar se finaal is net 7 spelers in die begin XV dieselfde

Mens verloor partykeer die groter prentjie uit die oog, ek dink as mens na hierdie stat kyk het Swys 'n baie moeilike taak gehad hierdie jaar.
Presies. Ek stem 100% saam.


Posted By: Red_Machine
Date Posted: 19-Jun-2019 at 7:59am
What 2016-2018 shows me is continuity, which we lacked this season. Players need time to grow into the team and learn how the people around them play. I dont think we played 2 games in a row with the same starting 15 or game day 23.

But I agree with the sentiment that you cant lose the quality and quantity of players we did and expect to be contenders.


Posted By: Red_Machine
Date Posted: 19-Jun-2019 at 8:03am
Originally posted by Transvaal Transvaal wrote:

Ek probeer niks regverdig nie, ek persoonlik dink nog steeds die 2016 span was ons beste span en beste kans om die kompetisie te wen, en ek wou maar net wys dat baie dinge verander in 4 jaar se tyd, 4 jaar is 'n baie lang tyd in rugby terme.

2016 was our best team, but the decision to rest senior players and send a "B" team to Argentina cost us the SR title.

2017 was a very close 2nd to the 2016 team and there a decision by Kwagga cost us the SR title. (And I still have a hard time forgiving him)

2018 if we are honest we were only there thanks to the conference system.



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