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Jantjies has his critics 

If you look at the facts/stats , he is probably the best player we’ve ever had. I’ll pick him on his loyalty is alone. Attitude is 90% , the rest can be taught 
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Originally posted by vdwestjo vdwestjo wrote:

Jantjies is defnitief n Leeu legende. Klink asof Marx se agent groot oorsaak is dat hy gaan. Klink asof hy meestal besluite neem sonder min insae v Marx jammer
Dis jammer dat agente so maklik besluite names spelers kan maak. Ek het ook verstaan dat Marx graag eerder sou wou bly.
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Originally posted by valie valie wrote:

Originally posted by vdwestjo vdwestjo wrote:

Jantjies is defnitief n Leeu legende. Klink asof Marx se agent groot oorsaak is dat hy gaan. Klink asof hy meestal besluite neem sonder min insae v Marx jammer
Dis jammer dat agente so maklik besluite names spelers kan maak. Ek het ook verstaan dat Marx graag eerder sou wou bly.
Weet glad nie hoe dit werk nie, maar hel, as 'n speler wil bly kan niemand hom mos dwing om te gaan nie? Of besluit die agent waarheen 'n speler moet skuif sonder enige insae van die speler self?
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Originally posted by WitBoer WitBoer wrote:

Originally posted by valie valie wrote:

Originally posted by vdwestjo vdwestjo wrote:

Jantjies is defnitief n Leeu legende. Klink asof Marx se agent groot oorsaak is dat hy gaan. Klink asof hy meestal besluite neem sonder min insae v Marx jammer
Dis jammer dat agente so maklik besluite names spelers kan maak. Ek het ook verstaan dat Marx graag eerder sou wou bly.
Weet glad nie hoe dit werk nie, maar hel, as 'n speler wil bly kan niemand hom mos dwing om te gaan nie? Of besluit die agent waarheen 'n speler moet skuif sonder enige insae van die speler self?
Dit hang seker maar af van die speler se ooreenkoms met die agent. Agente werk gewoonlik op kommissie, en sal daarom altyd n speler probeer skuif na n plek toe om meer geld te verdien. Ek vermoed dat indien die agent vir die speler n beter deal kan beding, en die speler vat dit nie, die betrokke speler dan seker verantwoordelik gehou kan word vir die verlies aan potensiele inkomste wat die agent kon verdien.



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Originally posted by valie valie wrote:

Originally posted by WitBoer WitBoer wrote:

Originally posted by valie valie wrote:

Originally posted by vdwestjo vdwestjo wrote:

Jantjies is defnitief n Leeu legende. Klink asof Marx se agent groot oorsaak is dat hy gaan. Klink asof hy meestal besluite neem sonder min insae v Marx jammer
Dis jammer dat agente so maklik besluite names spelers kan maak. Ek het ook verstaan dat Marx graag eerder sou wou bly.
Weet glad nie hoe dit werk nie, maar hel, as 'n speler wil bly kan niemand hom mos dwing om te gaan nie? Of besluit die agent waarheen 'n speler moet skuif sonder enige insae van die speler self?
Dit hang seker maar af van die speler se ooreenkoms met die agent. Agente werk gewoonlik op kommissie, en sal daarom altyd n speler probeer skuif na n plek toe om meer geld te verdien. Ek vermoed dat indien die agent vir die speler n beter deal kan beding, en die speler vat dit nie, die betrokke speler dan seker verantwoordelik gehou kan word vir die verlies aan potensiele inkomste wat die agent kon verdien.


Sjo, sekerlik kan dit nie so werk nie?
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote valie Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 17-Jun-2020 at 2:41pm
Originally posted by Leeubok Leeubok wrote:

Originally posted by valie valie wrote:

Originally posted by WitBoer WitBoer wrote:

Originally posted by valie valie wrote:

Originally posted by vdwestjo vdwestjo wrote:

Jantjies is defnitief n Leeu legende. Klink asof Marx se agent groot oorsaak is dat hy gaan. Klink asof hy meestal besluite neem sonder min insae v Marx jammer
Dis jammer dat agente so maklik besluite names spelers kan maak. Ek het ook verstaan dat Marx graag eerder sou wou bly.
Weet glad nie hoe dit werk nie, maar hel, as 'n speler wil bly kan niemand hom mos dwing om te gaan nie? Of besluit die agent waarheen 'n speler moet skuif sonder enige insae van die speler self?
Dit hang seker maar af van die speler se ooreenkoms met die agent. Agente werk gewoonlik op kommissie, en sal daarom altyd n speler probeer skuif na n plek toe om meer geld te verdien. Ek vermoed dat indien die agent vir die speler n beter deal kan beding, en die speler vat dit nie, die betrokke speler dan seker verantwoordelik gehou kan word vir die verlies aan potensiele inkomste wat die agent kon verdien.


Sjo, sekerlik kan dit nie so werk nie?
Ek weet nie, ek wonder maar. 'n Agent is seker geregtig op vergoeding as hy vir die speler n beter deal kan beding, veral as hy sekere uitgawes aangegaan het om die deal te beklink. Ek het al gehoor van agente wat, op hulle onkoste sekere high profile spelers laat vlieg na 'n klub, waarmee hul namens die speler onderhandel, sodat die speler n idee kan kry van hoe die klub operate, hoe die kultuur daar is, ens.
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Ek sien Jantjies is positief dat Marx gaan bly hy se die besluit le by Marx so dit klink of dit nog nie verseker is dat hy gaan nie hopelik kan ons nog 'n verasing dalk kry ek weet die hoop is maar min maar daar het al baie groter wonderwerke gebeur so ek hoop maar vir 'n grote
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Originally posted by gertjie0000 gertjie0000 wrote:

Ek sien Jantjies is positief dat Marx gaan bly hy se die besluit le by Marx so dit klink of dit nog nie verseker is dat hy gaan nie hopelik kan ons nog 'n verasing dalk kry ek weet die hoop is maar min maar daar het al baie groter wonderwerke gebeur so ek hoop maar vir 'n grote
Het jy dalk n link?
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote valie Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 02-Jul-2020 at 3:40pm
Seker nie n slegte signing nie, maar ek dink ons kort n slot met n bietjie mongrel, en dan miskien n meer ervare haker
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we have so many outside backs. 

I received some kick back on the Josh Strauss suggestion at lock. But no point in wasting money on players where we have depth already. 

We also want to bring back combrink and mopoe.  Yet more outside backs. 

It’s weird 
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Originally posted by Niela Niela wrote:

we have so many outside backs. 

I received some kick back on the Josh Strauss suggestion at lock. But no point in wasting money on players where we have depth already. 

We also want to bring back combrink and mopoe.  Yet more outside backs. 

It’s weird 
I agree with you 100%. We dont need any more outside backs, we need a proper inside center that can take the ball from Elton playing flat, someone like Rohan or Esterhuizen. We need a proper hooker, would have loved to see Dweba (he went to school in Randfontein) and we desperately need a hard no nonsense lock. Why we keep spending money on outside backs is beyond me. Our backs, save for a 12, is not the problem...
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Originally posted by Niela Niela wrote:

we have so many outside backs. 

I received some kick back on the Josh Strauss suggestion at lock. But no point in wasting money on players where we have depth already. 

We also want to bring back combrink and mopoe.  Yet more outside backs. 

It’s weird 

I wonder of Commies and Mapoe are/were genuine considerations or if it was just another rumour.. 
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Volgens netwerk24 het tim swiel by die leeus geteken, en hulle onderhandel nog met dreyer, van rooyen, ew viljoen, odendaal, ckmbrink en mapoe weet nie of als waar is nie maar lees dit nou
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het jy n link ?
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Het die link opgesit Zibbie, ek lees hulle se odendaal het 3 miljoen n jaar gekry by die bulle so eek twyfel of ons hom gaan teken dis helemal te veel vir daai bedrag kan ons ek glo n baie beter senter kry
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There's a typing error - Swiel and Kade Wolhuter signed for WP. 

Personally I hope we don't resign Dreyer, Van Rooyen, Mapoe or Combrink. We need to invest in the talent we have and while the props can play longer, we have loads of depth at prop. Mapoe and Combrink aren't the players they were 3 years ago. What message does it send Pienaar, Rass, Simelane, van der Schyff, Mollentze, Matthews, Swanepoel and even Muzi Manyike (former SA schools captain)?
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Dont agree . We will need some experienced players who have been there and done that 
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Originally posted by Zibbie Zibbie wrote:

Dont agree . We will need some experienced players who have been there and done that 
I agree with you Zibbie. Those guys can add a truckload of value
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All these backs on our shopping list, but we DESPERATELY need locks and a hooker!! unless they are developing the juniors... which Dameon Venter/P Botha i think ? Jan-Henning i see singed another 2 years, although i have questions about whether he is Super RUgby level... i am also a bit worried at scrumhalf, didnt we sign a youngster recently ? one of those lighties form Glenwood ? 
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@ Zibbie & Valie, I agree teams need a few old heads with steady hands to guide the young talent, especially when those players are Lions' legends and know the team culture. Common sense needs to be applied, when you have loads of talented young backs - why sign more, older backs on big salaries? Surely taking the money you would spend of those players and bring in 1, quality hooker or lock would be better?

When "experience" is blocking talent's pathway the talent will leave and become Springboks at another union. James Venter (path to the first team blocked by Schoeman) is already in the bok mix, and with Mapimpi in Japan I wouldn't be surprised if Madosh Tambwe puts himself in the bok mix.

We currently have:
 Age  Senior Games
Jannie du Plessis          38 401
Wilhelm van der Sluys  29 73
Marvin Orie   27 131
Marnus Schoeman        31 159
Jaco Kriel   31 177
Willem Alberts   36 296
Ross Cronje   31 202
Elton Janjties   30 260
Courtnall Skosan   29                          136
Andries Coetzee   30 163

Do we really need more? Especially backs and loose forwards?

We have a 45 player and 60 million cap in place. Young players are demanding more money earlier these days, and decent to average, established players returning from Europe want a premium. We have a similar problem European clubs have (https://rugby365.com/countries/japan/kiwi-coach-condemns-big-money-deals-for-super-players/). So should we use up a sizable piece of our player budget on old hands, and let the most promising juniors go?

The answer is in the middle, get a few experienced players in, but be very selective about which players and which positions. These guys either need to be current Springboks (or currently in the mix), or they need to add huge value both on and off the field. Players nearing 30 that are average or slightly above average but not in the Springbok picture need to be moved onto Europe or Japan with the exception of guys that add huge value on and off the field (harsh but this works brilliantly in New Zealand). This keeps pathways clear for top youngsters. Instead of having a talented 22 year old that is too old for age-group rugby, but can't get a game because 30 something year olds, who will never be Springboks, are keeping them out of the match 23, causing the youngster's career to stall or them moving to other unions or overseas out of frustration - let them play, develop and reach their potential in a Lions jersey.

Spend good money on a few quality, experienced hands in key positions to mentor young talent, then spend more on top juniors and keep the pathways clear for them to progress. Lions rugby and SA rugby would benefit from this.


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there is a huge difference between qualify and quantity....

Looking at our "senior guys"

We currently have:
 Age  Senior Games      STATUS
Jannie du Plessis          38 401              Has been - average
Wilhelm van der Sluys  29 73                Old yes, senior - NO
Marvin Orie   27 131              Very average
Marnus Schoeman        31 159              Decent super rugby senior - not a bok
Jaco Kriel   31 177              Decent - Very few tests -Injury prone 
Willem Alberts   36 296              Great senior player 
Ross Cronje   31 202              Decent - Very few tests
Elton Janjties   30 260              Probbaly our most valuable senior player
Courtnall Skosan   29                          136              Decent - Very few tests -Injury prone 
Andries Coetzee   30 163              Decent - Very few tests -Injury prone 


I think you will agree that we need proper senior players, springboks or internationals. Anyone with less than 25 test are not so senior at all..


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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote vdwestjo Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 07-Jul-2020 at 11:28am
Agreed. It will be great if we can sign Combrinck, Mapoe, Dreyer and Van Rooyen. They all were key parts of the three Super Rugby finals that the Lions reached. It will be great for the young players to have all of them back for the Lions
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote L13 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 07-Jul-2020 at 11:50am
I agree. We need a few quality experience in key positions. 

Although I don't necessary believe tests are the only measure of a players experience and quality. How many tests has Johan Goosen played? Arno Botha? Kolbe before last year? I feel guys that are current boks or in the bok mix, or world star is a better criteria. The only exception being every now and then a guy that has tons of experience, is at the end of their career and doesn't mind being backup/waterboy - but adds huge value in mentoring and on the training field, that way you can also help bring through the next generation of coaches.

Think how much of our budget is tied up in these 10 players and then we want to add Dreyer, van Rooyen, Fourie, Mapoe and Combrinck. All were great servants of Lions rugby, but don't meet the 25 test idea you had, and are more than likely not in the Springbok plans. The fact that their European sides are willing to let them leave, even releasing them with a year on their contract in some of these guys cases tells you everything about their current on field performance levels.

I would rather we cut some of the deadwood, free up some money and then went big on a hooker and lock.
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