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    Posted: 03-Apr-2018 at 1:20pm

The Lions Rugby Company (Pty) Ltd. would like to announce the signing of Nicholas Groom from Northampton Saints.

Due to injury and depth Groom will join the Company from 31 March 2018 until 31 October 2019.

The Lions would like to welcome Groom and his family to Johannesburg.

“My time in England with the Saints has been hugely satisfying on many levels. I’ve learned so much and I’m a better player and person for it. The opportunity to return to South Africa has come a lot sooner than expected but it’s one that I am really excited for. I’ll be joining a great team with high ambitions and I am looking forward to getting started,” Groom said.

Thank you to Le Cap Sports and Northampton Saints for supporting Groom in his move and future endeavours.

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Nou begin ons ouens teken wat nooit werklik goed was nie, wiele gaan afkom as ons so maak 
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Ek wonder of dit dalk beteken dat Ross se besering ernstiger is as wat eers gedink is
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Soos ek verstaan is Ross nog tussen 6-8 weke uit.
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Kom ons gee hom n kans dalk verbaas hy ons almal nog
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dalk soek rassie hom terug
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Originally posted by ROOIHART ROOIHART wrote:

Soos ek verstaan is Ross nog tussen 6-8 weke uit.

okay dit verklaar dit...die unie voel duidelik dat ons kan doen met 'n ervare skrummie om die ander ouens te help.
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Originally posted by Transvaal Transvaal wrote:

Originally posted by ROOIHART ROOIHART wrote:

Soos ek verstaan is Ross nog tussen 6-8 weke uit.

okay dit verklaar dit...die unie voel duidelik dat ons kan doen met 'n ervare skrummie om die ander ouens te help.

Skies het nie hierdie gesien voor ek op die ander thread gecomment het. 

Ek sit maar op die draad met hierdie een. Ek het nog altyd gevoel ons moet hier en daar ervare ouens aanstel en nie net net staat maak op jong talent wat deur die sisteem kom nie. So miskien is dit n goeie skuif, alhoewel Dillon en Marko seker nie baie goed gaan voel hiermee nie..
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I was really sceptical about this signing. I even had thoughts of it being a late April's Fool joke. But having read some of the comments and thought about it, it could be an inspired move. Dillon has been solid, and Marco needs some more time to come to grips with the intensity of SR. Groom will have had the experience of playing in the Premiership and EC, as well as CC and SR. He also has a fairly educated tactical kicking game, so will be able to take some of the pressure off Elton. He also has had a few seasons of facing rush defences, so will be able to bring fresh ideas on handling that defence.
So I think that no 9 will mainly be rotated between him and Dillon, with Marco supporting. I just hope that he can also mentor guys like Dillon and Marco, and give Ross some tips as well. He brings a lot intellectual capital with him to Joburg. So lets wait and see.
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Originally posted by Lion4ever Lion4ever wrote:

I was really sceptical about this signing. I even had thoughts of it being a late April's Fool joke. But having read some of the comments and thought about it, it could be an inspired move. Dillon has been solid, and Marco needs some more time to come to grips with the intensity of SR. Groom will have had the experience of playing in the Premiership and EC, as well as CC and SR. He also has a fairly educated tactical kicking game, so will be able to take some of the pressure off Elton. He also has had a few seasons of facing rush defences, so will be able to bring fresh ideas on handling that defence.
So I think that no 9 will mainly be rotated between him and Dillon, with Marco supporting. I just hope that he can also mentor guys like Dillon and Marco, and give Ross some tips as well. He brings a lot intellectual capital with him to Joburg. So lets wait and see.

That "tactical" kicking game is what worries me... Just a nice way of saying that you give the ball away and defend... Something the Stormers under AC with Groom as 9 did very well.
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Ja-nee ek is iemand wat dink mens skop net in jou 22....en so min as moontlik verder
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Originally posted by Transvaal Transvaal wrote:

Ja-nee ek is iemand wat dink mens skop net in jou 22....en so min as moontlik verder

En dan skop iemand anders as jou 9...
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Dillon Smith het juis Sondag so een up and under op homself geskop, en een ander van sy skoppe was regstreeks uit as ek reg onthou
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Originally posted by Transvaal Transvaal wrote:

Dillon Smith het juis Sondag so een up and under op homself geskop, en een ander van sy skoppe was regstreeks uit as ek reg onthou
Ek glo ook mens skop meestal net in jou eie 22, maar indien n skrummie wel moet skop, verkies ek een wat goed kan skop bo een wat nie kan skop nie. Sy passes lyk ook redelik pin point - iets wat tans ver te kort skiet in ons agterlyn.
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Originally posted by WitBoer WitBoer wrote:

Originally posted by Lion4ever Lion4ever wrote:

I was really sceptical about this signing. I even had thoughts of it being a late April's Fool joke. But having read some of the comments and thought about it, it could be an inspired move. Dillon has been solid, and Marco needs some more time to come to grips with the intensity of SR. Groom will have had the experience of playing in the Premiership and EC, as well as CC and SR. He also has a fairly educated tactical kicking game, so will be able to take some of the pressure off Elton. He also has had a few seasons of facing rush defences, so will be able to bring fresh ideas on handling that defence.
So I think that no 9 will mainly be rotated between him and Dillon, with Marco supporting. I just hope that he can also mentor guys like Dillon and Marco, and give Ross some tips as well. He brings a lot intellectual capital with him to Joburg. So lets wait and see.

That "tactical" kicking game is what worries me... Just a nice way of saying that you give the ball away and defend... Something the Stormers under AC with Groom as 9 did very well.
If kicks are done properly, they can be very effective in gaining territory. I agree with Transvaal that the majority of kicks should be from the 22 and out. However, with the rush defence, some good kicking will force the defending team to stand a little deeper, giving the attacking team a bit more time on the ball. With a kick chase and contested kick, pressure is transferred onto the defending team. What I hate are aimless kicks, that achieve exactly what you have said. I think that Naas was the architect of that malady we have in SA. He could kick the ball really far, and with good following up, and pressurizing the receiver, his 80m kicks downfield ended up gaining his team 50m and the the subsequent throw in at the line out. Not too many SA 9's or 10's have been able to achieve that consistently, excepting maybe FDP. Please don't think I am looking for a return to a 10 man kick and chase game. I am saying that the Lions need to vary their game up a bit to keep the defenders guessing and in 2 minds in their defensive patterns.
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I thought Dillon smith had a good game Saturday, especially considering he has not played for a year or so. Wasting resources on a extra no 9 seems a waste, especially on somoene anyone hardly remembers. We needed experience far more on the wing, and if depth was such a concern, why not start at 10, tighthead or hooker?

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Originally posted by emiel emiel wrote:

I thought Dillon smith had a good game Saturday, especially considering he has not played for a year or so. Wasting resources on a extra no 9 seems a waste, especially on somoene anyone hardly remembers. We needed experience far more on the wing, and if depth was such a concern, why not start at 10, tighthead or hooker?
You have a point. I agree that Dillon had a solid game. He has a very crisp pass, and he gets that ball out of the ruck quickly. Robbie is a good back up as a no 2 and I think Corne Fourie will go far as a hooker. Our wings are inexperienced, but have shown that they can run the ball, and are pretty decent under the high ball. Boeboes started off at 10, something few people remember, and we have Reynolds and Davids as back up to Elton. I think that Meyer from Griquas is basically on a trial run with us at the moment. So it makes sense to bring in someone with over 50 caps of SR experience and loads of UK and Europe experience.
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Originally posted by Lion4ever Lion4ever wrote:

Originally posted by emiel emiel wrote:

I thought Dillon smith had a good game Saturday, especially considering he has not played for a year or so. Wasting resources on a extra no 9 seems a waste, especially on somoene anyone hardly remembers. We needed experience far more on the wing, and if depth was such a concern, why not start at 10, tighthead or hooker?
You have a point. I agree that Dillon had a solid game. He has a very crisp pass, and he gets that ball out of the ruck quickly. Robbie is a good back up as a no 2 and I think Corne Fourie will go far as a hooker. Our wings are inexperienced, but have shown that they can run the ball, and are pretty decent under the high ball. Boeboes started off at 10, something few people remember, and we have Reynolds and Davids as back up to Elton. I think that Meyer from Griquas is basically on a trial run with us at the moment. So it makes sense to bring in someone with over 50 caps of SR experience and loads of UK and Europe experience.
Something tells me Groom did not come cheaply... Money that could have been spent to try and keep a Jaco Kriel or Mostert or RjvR at the Union or get the best young scrumhalf in the country... Just dont think the union has been about things in a "healthy" manner recently...
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Dillon will need to sharpen up he's game alot if he wants to play at this level hes fast but
He put Jantjies under a lot of pressure he kept passing above he's head or half behind him.

if Jantjies has that couple of seconds extra with a good or perfect pass he can get hes backline away much faster.

we need to hang on to the ball there are way to many knocks especially in promising situations.

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Originally posted by Alpha LEEU Alpha LEEU wrote:

Dillon will need to sharpen up he's game alot if he wants to play at this level hes fast but
He put Jantjies under a lot of pressure he kept passing above he's head or half behind him.

if Jantjies has that couple of seconds extra with a good or perfect pass he can get hes backline away much faster.

we need to hang on to the ball there are way to many knocks especially in promising situations.

its these small gains that win games.
Our handling has been terrible this year. Some of it boils down to timing, but the hands have generally been poor.  When Dillon gets it right, he has a very quick pass. He also needs to do a bit more than pass the ball. I think with him having been out for such a long time, that he is a bit rusty.
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