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The question is why Stonehouse has not been considered by any other Big Union? Perhaps he is too arrogant, has not yet won any Cups and have not yet coached at International Level. See that Matt Proudfoot is being considered which I think will be ideal. He has coached the Springboks and England as assistant coach and I think is ready for the next level of being head coach
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Originally posted by valie valie wrote:

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Ek sien die nuutste is dat Matfield nie meer die afrigter gaan wees nie. Het glo te veel "eise" en dat Matthew Proudfoot se naam nou genoem word... Ek is nou nie snaaks nie, maar dan verkies ek eerder vir Matfield.
Proudfoot is glad nie n slegte afrigter nie, en het baie ondervinding. Ek glo daar is ook heelwat spelers wat onder hom sal wil speel.
 

Noudat ek daaroor dink, hy sal dalk 'n goeie kopie wees vir ons. Hy werk nou al 2 jaar saam Eddie Jones by Engeland. Hul web page:
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ek dink ons is gelukkig dat iemand soos hy even belangstelling toon
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Originally posted by True loin True loin wrote:

ek dink ons is gelukkig dat iemand soos hy even belangstelling toon
Ja, hy sal great wees, maar ek dink nie dit gaan gebeur. Beter nuus is dat Matfield nie betrokke gaan wees.
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Originally posted by Red_Machine Red_Machine wrote:

Why is Stonehouse not being mentioned, he has proved his coaching ability over and over again at the Pumas. What he manages to achieve with a bunch of "no name brands" is commendable and he deserves an opportunity with a larger union. 

Reminds me a bit of John Mitchel, competent bur very difficult to work with in a bureaucratic environment. Probably the reason that even the Bulls were not interested in hiring him. Think he feels much more content with a smaller union where he is the focal point and the administration is there to serve him (probably the way it should be, but that is another discussion). 
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Originally posted by emiel1 emiel1 wrote:

Originally posted by Red_Machine Red_Machine wrote:

Why is Stonehouse not being mentioned, he has proved his coaching ability over and over again at the Pumas. What he manages to achieve with a bunch of "no name brands" is commendable and he deserves an opportunity with a larger union. 

Reminds me a bit of John Mitchel, competent bur very difficult to work with in a bureaucratic environment. Probably the reason that even the Bulls were not interested in hiring him. Think he feels much more content with a smaller union where he is the focal point and the administration is there to serve him (probably the way it should be, but that is another discussion). 
Ek dink die rede hoekom hy nie in die mix is nie, is veelvuldig:

1. Hy is heewaarskynlik nog vas onder kontrak by die Pumas, en hulle sal hom nie sommer net laat gaan nie.
2. Hy wil dalk nie Stad toe trek nie.
3. Hy wil dalk nie die Leeus afrig nie. 
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Originally posted by Leeubok Leeubok wrote:

Originally posted by valie valie wrote:

Originally posted by WitBoer WitBoer wrote:

Ek sien die nuutste is dat Matfield nie meer die afrigter gaan wees nie. Het glo te veel "eise" en dat Matthew Proudfoot se naam nou genoem word... Ek is nou nie snaaks nie, maar dan verkies ek eerder vir Matfield.
Proudfoot is glad nie n slegte afrigter nie, en het baie ondervinding. Ek glo daar is ook heelwat spelers wat onder hom sal wil speel.
 

Noudat ek daaroor dink, hy sal dalk 'n goeie kopie wees vir ons. Hy werk nou al 2 jaar saam Eddie Jones by Engeland. Hul web page:
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Born in Klerksdorp, he won four Scotland caps as a prop from 1998/2003 and also played for Northern Transvaal, Melrose, Edinburgh, Glasgow Warriors, the Leopards and the Blue Bulls. A scrum specialist, he worked with the Stormers, Western Province and Kobe Steel Kobelco Steelers in Japan before joining the South Africa coaching team as an assistant in 2016. Under his guidance, North-West University lifted the 2008 National Club Championship.
Stem, hoe meer ek daaroor dink, hoe meer lyk dit na n goeie idee. Selfs al is dit as DOR.
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Ek het net so bietjie terug in die geskiedenis gaan kyk, hierdie was ons Curriebeker squad van 2018:

Jacobie Adriaanse, Stephen Bashera, Driaan Bester, Andries Coetzee, Ashlon Davids, Hacjivah Dayimani, Pikkie de Villiers, Corne Fourie, Selom Gavor, Rhyno Herbst, Pieter Jansen, Marco Jansen van Vuren, Johannes Jonker, Sylvian Mahuza, Len Massyn, Siya Masuku, Danie Mienie, Howard Mnisi, Reinhard Nothnagel, Siya Nzuzo, Shaun Reynolds, Bheki Shongwe, Wandisile Simelane, Sti Sithole, Courtnall Skosan, Dillon Smit, Madosh Tambwe, James Venter, Anthony Volmink.

Net 4 van die 29 spelers is nog met ons. So ons het 25 spelers verloor in 3 jaar


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Hierdie was die 2018 Super Rugby squad van 40 spelers:

Jacobie Adriaanse, Cyle Brink, Andries Coetzee, Robbie Coetzee, Ruan Combrinck, Ross Cronje, Ashlon Davids, Hacjivah Dayimani, Ruan Dreyer, Aphiwe Dyantyi, Willie Engelbrecht, Lourens Erasmus, Andries Ferreira, Corne Fourie, Rhyno Herbst, Rohan Janse van Rensburg, Marco Jansen van Vuren, Elton Jantjies, Johannes Jonker, Jaco Kriel, Robert Kruger, Sylvian Mahuza, Lionel Mapoe, Malcolm Marx, Len Massyn, Christiaan Meyer, Howard Mnisi, Franco Mostert, Marvin Orie, Shaun Reynolds, Marnus Schoeman, Sti Sithole, Courtnall Skosan, Dillon Smit, Dylan Smith, Kwagga Smith, Madosh Tambwe, Jacques van Rooyen, Harold Vorster , Warren Whiteley.
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5 van die 40 is nog met ons..

So in 3 jaar se tyd het ons 4 van 29 Curriebeker spelers behou en 5 van 40 Super Rugby spelers.

Dit verduidelik presies waarom ons is waar ons is
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Skosan gaan vir die Northampton Saints speel
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Originally posted by Transvaal Transvaal wrote:

5 van die 40 is nog met ons..

So in 3 jaar se tyd het ons 4 van 29 Curriebeker spelers behou en 5 van 40 Super Rugby spelers.

Dit verduidelik presies waarom ons is waar ons is

Wow! Ek wonder hoe lyk daai getalle by die ander 3 groot unies..? Ek vermoed hulle het ook baie spelers verloor oor die laaste paar jaar. maar die verskil is, hul vervang daai spelers weer met ander kwaliteit spelers. 
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Ek het geweet ons het baie spelers verloor maar nie besef dit was so erg tot ek nou gaan kyk het nie.  Ons het basies 87.5% van ons Super Rugby squad verloor in 3 jaar, geen span kan seker nie die gevolge van sulke groot spelerverliese systap nie?
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Van die 5 super rugby squad wat nog by ons is, is 2 ouens wat gewaai het en toe weer terug gekom het, naamlik Dreyer en Jaco Kriel.
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Transvaal, ek het so vinnig gegoogle vir die Bulls se 2018 super rugby squad. As ek so daarna kyk is daar ook bitter min van daai spelers nogsteeds by hulle. So ek glo nie dit is 'n probleem uniek aan ons nie. 

Outside Backs: Warrick Gelant, Duncan Matthews, Travis Ismaiel, Jamba Ulengo, Jade Stighling, Divan Rossouw.

Midfielders: Burger Odendaal, JT Jackson, Francois Brummer, Jesse Kriel, Johnny Kotze

Flyhalves: Handre Pollard, Marnitz Boshoff, Manie Libbok

Halfbacks: Ivan van Zyl, Andre Warner, Embrose Papier

Loose Forwards: Roelof Smit, Ruan Steenkamp, Hendre Stassen, Hanro Liebenberg, Jannes Kirsten, Nic de Jager, Tim Agaba.

Locks: Jason Jenkins, Ruben van Heerden, RG Snyman, Lood de Jager, Aston Fortuin.

Props: Pierre Schoeman, Conraad van Vuuren, Frans van Wyk, Matthys Basson, Lizo Gqoboka, Trevor Nyakane.

Hookers: Jaco Visagie, Adriaan Strauss, Edgar Marutlulle

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Sit 26 beserings by ons huidige squad, en skielik kom dinge meer in perspektief. Dis hoekom ek nie noodwendig dink alles kan voor Cash se deur gele word nie. Min ander afrigters sou veel beter vaar met dit wat hy mee moes werk.
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Originally posted by Leeubok Leeubok wrote:

Transvaal, ek het so vinnig gegoogle vir die Bulls se 2018 super rugby squad. As ek so daarna kyk is daar ook bitter min van daai spelers nogsteeds by hulle. So ek glo nie dit is 'n probleem uniek aan ons nie. 

Outside Backs: Warrick Gelant, Duncan Matthews, Travis Ismaiel, Jamba Ulengo, Jade Stighling, Divan Rossouw.

Midfielders: Burger Odendaal, JT Jackson, Francois Brummer, Jesse Kriel, Johnny Kotze

Flyhalves: Handre Pollard, Marnitz Boshoff, Manie Libbok

Halfbacks: Ivan van Zyl, Andre Warner, Embrose Papier

Loose Forwards: Roelof Smit, Ruan Steenkamp, Hendre Stassen, Hanro Liebenberg, Jannes Kirsten, Nic de Jager, Tim Agaba.

Locks: Jason Jenkins, Ruben van Heerden, RG Snyman, Lood de Jager, Aston Fortuin.

Props: Pierre Schoeman, Conraad van Vuuren, Frans van Wyk, Matthys Basson, Lizo Gqoboka, Trevor Nyakane.

Hookers: Jaco Visagie, Adriaan Strauss, Edgar Marutlulle

die verskil is dat die bulle almal wat weg is met nog beter spelers kon vervang. Iets wat ons kan doen nie
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Originally posted by Leeubok Leeubok wrote:

Transvaal, ek het so vinnig gegoogle vir die Bulls se 2018 super rugby squad. As ek so daarna kyk is daar ook bitter min van daai spelers nogsteeds by hulle. So ek glo nie dit is 'n probleem uniek aan ons nie. 

Outside Backs: Warrick Gelant, Duncan Matthews, Travis Ismaiel, Jamba Ulengo, Jade Stighling, Divan Rossouw.

Midfielders: Burger Odendaal, JT Jackson, Francois Brummer, Jesse Kriel, Johnny Kotze

Flyhalves: Handre Pollard, Marnitz Boshoff, Manie Libbok

Halfbacks: Ivan van Zyl, Andre Warner, Embrose Papier

Loose Forwards: Roelof Smit, Ruan Steenkamp, Hendre Stassen, Hanro Liebenberg, Jannes Kirsten, Nic de Jager, Tim Agaba.

Locks: Jason Jenkins, Ruben van Heerden, RG Snyman, Lood de Jager, Aston Fortuin.

Props: Pierre Schoeman, Conraad van Vuuren, Frans van Wyk, Matthys Basson, Lizo Gqoboka, Trevor Nyakane.

Hookers: Jaco Visagie, Adriaan Strauss, Edgar Marutlulle

Die verskil is dat die spelers wat hulle verloor het, meestal onderpresteerders was, terwyl ons s'n meestal springbokke was.
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Originally posted by valie valie wrote:

Originally posted by Leeubok Leeubok wrote:

Transvaal, ek het so vinnig gegoogle vir die Bulls se 2018 super rugby squad. As ek so daarna kyk is daar ook bitter min van daai spelers nogsteeds by hulle. So ek glo nie dit is 'n probleem uniek aan ons nie. 

Outside Backs: Warrick Gelant, Duncan Matthews, Travis Ismaiel, Jamba Ulengo, Jade Stighling, Divan Rossouw.

Midfielders: Burger Odendaal, JT Jackson, Francois Brummer, Jesse Kriel, Johnny Kotze

Flyhalves: Handre Pollard, Marnitz Boshoff, Manie Libbok

Halfbacks: Ivan van Zyl, Andre Warner, Embrose Papier

Loose Forwards: Roelof Smit, Ruan Steenkamp, Hendre Stassen, Hanro Liebenberg, Jannes Kirsten, Nic de Jager, Tim Agaba.

Locks: Jason Jenkins, Ruben van Heerden, RG Snyman, Lood de Jager, Aston Fortuin.

Props: Pierre Schoeman, Conraad van Vuuren, Frans van Wyk, Matthys Basson, Lizo Gqoboka, Trevor Nyakane.

Hookers: Jaco Visagie, Adriaan Strauss, Edgar Marutlulle

Die verskil is dat die spelers wat hulle verloor het, meestal onderpresteerders was, terwyl ons s'n meestal springbokke was.

Behalwe as ek ouens gemis het, het hulle 3 spelers oor van 2018 se squad. Die verskil le nie in wie hulle verloor het nie, dit le in wie hulle daai spelers mee vervang!
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O ja Ivan van Zyl was ook in 2018 daar, en is nogsteeds

Paar spelers wat ek sommer nou so self probeer onthou wat hul onlangs geteken het:
Johan Goosen
Morne Steyn
Harold Vorster
Lionel Mapoe
Duane Vermeulen (ok hy is al n ruk by hul)
Marcell Coetzee
Gio Aplon
Cornal Hendricks

Daai is almal voormalige bokke. 
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Marco van Staden was ook iewers daar in die mix, hy het in 2018 Springbok geword.

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Originally posted by Leeubok Leeubok wrote:

O ja Ivan van Zyl was ook in 2018 daar, en is nogsteeds

Paar spelers wat ek sommer nou so self probeer onthou wat hul onlangs geteken het:
Johan Goosen
Morne Steyn
Harold Vorster
Lionel Mapoe
Duane Vermeulen (ok hy is al n ruk by hul)
Marcell Coetzee
Gio Aplon
Cornal Hendricks

Daai is almal voormalige bokke. 
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Originally posted by Leeubok Leeubok wrote:

Transvaal, ek het so vinnig gegoogle vir die Bulls se 2018 super rugby squad. As ek so daarna kyk is daar ook bitter min van daai spelers nogsteeds by hulle. So ek glo nie dit is 'n probleem uniek aan ons nie. 

Outside Backs: Warrick Gelant, Duncan Matthews, Travis Ismaiel, Jamba Ulengo, Jade Stighling, Divan Rossouw.

Midfielders: Burger Odendaal, JT Jackson, Francois Brummer, Jesse Kriel, Johnny Kotze

Flyhalves: Handre Pollard, Marnitz Boshoff, Manie Libbok

Halfbacks: Ivan van Zyl, Andre Warner, Embrose Papier

Loose Forwards: Roelof Smit, Ruan Steenkamp, Hendre Stassen, Hanro Liebenberg, Jannes Kirsten, Nic de Jager, Tim Agaba.

Locks: Jason Jenkins, Ruben van Heerden, RG Snyman, Lood de Jager, Aston Fortuin.

Props: Pierre Schoeman, Conraad van Vuuren, Frans van Wyk, Matthys Basson, Lizo Gqoboka, Trevor Nyakane.

Hookers: Jaco Visagie, Adriaan Strauss, Edgar Marutlulle


7 van hulle is nou Leeus.


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Originally posted by valie valie wrote:

Originally posted by Leeubok Leeubok wrote:

O ja Ivan van Zyl was ook in 2018 daar, en is nogsteeds

Paar spelers wat ek sommer nou so self probeer onthou wat hul onlangs geteken het:
Johan Goosen
Morne Steyn
Harold Vorster
Lionel Mapoe
Duane Vermeulen (ok hy is al n ruk by hul)
Marcell Coetzee
Gio Aplon
Cornal Hendricks

Daai is almal voormalige bokke. 
Jip en Ruan Combrinck

Jacques van Rooyen
Arno Botha

Beide ook baie goeie spelers.


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