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Match 29 - Waratahs vs Lions

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Originally posted by L13 L13 wrote:

It is really hard to find positives or even to see this getting better. It isn't like final passes aren't going to hand and you think ok, a few more weeks and those passes will stick; or there are a bunch of players injured and you think it will be better when they are back. This isn't bad luck, biased refs or temporary form. In fact it can only get worse with injuries.

Phase play was again predictable, one off runners from standing starts with little support. Scrums were a strength now not so much. Backs hardly get the ball in space and have to run into traffic. Tackles are missed all over the place. Subs seem to be decided before the game, come on too late and make hardly any impact. The only 3 positives I saw were 1. lineouts were massively improved (Campher seemed better at hitting the right man but it could also be extra training or luck); 2. scrums were not the walking penalty they have been - although they still weren't great and 3. Dayimani brought energy that brought others into the game (could have been the Tahs were just tired by that point).

We look like an invitational team who have had a couple of training sessions and are only scoring any tries because they are good players, not because of any plan or coaching. The job of a coach is to make a team better than the sum of their parts - though coaching, tactics and motivation. Right now we have a solid team on paper that is massively under performing. Every game is making it painfully clear that we are badly coached and our coaches way out of their depth.

It is going to be a very, very, very long season at this rate. I would rather watch a team of Campher, Sadie, Alberts, Dayimani, Van Den Berg, Jantjies, Skosan, Rass, Simelane and Green (at fullback) because they would play exciting rugby win or lose.

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Agree with the first two paragraphs of your statement,

Personally don't think it's Ivan van Rooyen who drafted in a shitload of underqualified assistants or contracted a bunch of rejects who could not make it at other teams (as well as a couple of over-the-hill geriatrics patients). Many of the youngsters are promising but are also way overhyped, so I certaily don't think this is a solid team (even on paper).


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Originally posted by valie valie wrote:

Originally posted by L13 L13 wrote:

It is really hard to find positives or even to see this getting better. It isn't like final passes aren't going to hand and you think ok, a few more weeks and those passes will stick; or there are a bunch of players injured and you think it will be better when they are back. This isn't bad luck, biased refs or temporary form. In fact it can only get worse with injuries.

Phase play was again predictable, one off runners from standing starts with little support. Scrums were a strength now not so much. Backs hardly get the ball in space and have to run into traffic. Tackles are missed all over the place. Subs seem to be decided before the game, come on too late and make hardly any impact. The only 3 positives I saw were 1. lineouts were massively improved (Campher seemed better at hitting the right man but it could also be extra training or luck); 2. scrums were not the walking penalty they have been - although they still weren't great and 3. Dayimani brought energy that brought others into the game (could have been the Tahs were just tired by that point).

We look like an invitational team who have had a couple of training sessions and are only scoring any tries because they are good players, not because of any plan or coaching. The job of a coach is to make a team better than the sum of their parts - though coaching, tactics and motivation. Right now we have a solid team on paper that is massively under performing. Every game is making it painfully clear that we are badly coached and our coaches way out of their depth.

It is going to be a very, very, very long season at this rate. I would rather watch a team of Campher, Sadie, Alberts, Dayimani, Van Den Berg, Jantjies, Skosan, Rass, Simelane and Green (at fullback) because they would play exciting rugby win or lose.

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We have played four, won one which could've been 2 as I still feel we were let down by a referee decision against the Stormers (where Schickerling clearly swam around at that last lineout and should have been penalised), and you want to getrid of Cash?
In that case no coach will ever be good enough. Coaches dont miss tackles, lose ball in contact, kick the ball straight into the hands of the opposing fullback, or pre engage at scrum time. It's the players that need to get the blame for that. If there is one area of concern for me coaching wise, it is the defence. The past 2 years everyone wanted to crucify Joey Mongalo, because we leaked too many tries. Now we are leaking even more, and no one ever mentions Sean Erasmus. Instead people now want Cash to go?
We have lost a shitload of key players during the last 2 years, yet the suppirters expect the team to walk straight into the playoffs. Remember, it took Ackers & co. about 3 years before they reached the playoffs. We would also need about 3 years of continuity, to reach those hights again.
No Valie, we as supporters do not have above average expectations. If you read all the comments you will note that the issues raised are not those of people expecting a title this year. We are all pointing to the fact that this team genuinely looks badly coached, the mistakes are schoolboy like, our setpiece is a real concerns and our defence is about as effective as a Nataniel in a MMA fight.I will take a young team being outplayed but growing every game anytime but the current performance is 30 percent outplayed and 70 percent self inflicted, 2nd string like error ridden bad execution, bad decision making and really worrying, completely out of their depth individual performances. I am not fighting or accusing or being a keyboard warrior, I am really concerned...
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Een ding wat vir my uitgestaan het is dat ons nie voorvoetbal kry nie.. ons skrum domineer nie soos die laaste paar jaar nie (selfs met Marx weg kan ek nie verstaan hoe ons skrum so agteruit gegaan het nie.. die Waratahs het niks as dit by skrumtyd kom nie maar het ons skrum steeds lag lag hanteer), ons baldraers kom bitter min oor die voordeellyn en oor die algemeen lyk ons spelers nie sterk in kontak (collisions) nie. Dit alles beteken ons agterlyn kry statiese bal en moet dan stoei om nie agteruit getackle te word nie. Dis alles 'n resep vir verloor. Lynstane en een of twee rolmale was die enigste positiewe deel van ons spel. 
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Daai geelkaart van Schoemen was regtig beenkop van hom. Ons was op die aanval met penalty advantage. Dit, tesame met die drie wat hulle vleuel in die linkerhoek gedruk het, vanaf omkeer besit, het ons baie duur te staan gekom. Ons lynstane en mauls was goed. As Rueben nie daai ou daar gemoer het nie, kon ons dalk n drie vanaf die lynstaan druk, want sit sou ons strafskop wees.
In die tygd wat hy af was, het die Tahs 2 keer gaan druk.
Ek dink die belangrikste aspekte waaraan die Leeus sal moet werk is dissipline, balretensie, en die spelers moet werk aan hul aangee. Daar was n paar keer wat n agterspeler moes gaan stilstaan om n bal te vang, omdat die bal nie voor hom gepass word nie. Dit breek elke keer die momentum van die agterlyn.



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Originally posted by valie valie wrote:

Daai geelkaart van Schoemen was regtig beenkop van hom. Ons was op die aanval met penalty advantage. Dit, tesame met die drie wat hulle vleuel in die linkerhoek gedruk het, vanaf omkeer besit, het ons baie duur te staan gekom. Ons lynstane en mauls was goed. As Rueben nie daai ou daar gemoer het nie, kon ons dalk n drie vanaf die lynstaan druk, want sit sou ons strafskop wees.
In die tygd wat hy af was, het die Tahs 2 keer gaan druk.
Ek dink die belangrikste aspekte waaraan die Leeus sal moet werk is dissipline, balretensie, en die spelers moet werk aan hul aangee. Daar was n paar keer wat n agterspeler moes gaan stilstaan om n bal te vang, omdat die bal nie voor hom gepass word nie. Dit breek elke keer die momentum van die agterlyn.


Ek stem 100% saam . 2 moments in die game en ons verloor.

Ons was swak , maar die tahs was nie great nie en ons moes eintlik die een wen 
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