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Can a local No 8 stand up?

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    Posted: 08-Jan-2020 at 8:35am
While overseas stars Marcell Coetzee and Dan du Preez are both thriving at their respective clubs, DYLAN JACK looks at locally based players who could come through at eighthman.

Can we find a young local successor to Duane Vermeulen? The World Cup star will be turning 34 in July and is heading towards the final lap of his Test career.

His departure to play in Japan again has also left the Vodacom Bulls a bit light in the position. This is especially the case considering he has been joined abroad by Hanro Liebenberg, who had the potential to be the next long-term captain for the Pretoria franchise.

Marco van Staden offers a left-field option of sorts, but there’s little doubt that he is far better suited to the side of the scrum, where his abilities at the breakdown can be properly utilised.

At Test level, Van Staden may be seen as more of a natural replacement for Francois Louw, who retired from Test rugby at the end of last year after playing a vital role from the bench in the Springboks’ World Cup campaign.

If the Bulls want to go for youth, they could do far worse than backing Muller Uys, a former Western Province youth player who captained the Bulls U21 side to the provincial title last year.

Moving across the Jukskei, the Lions are looking slightly thin at No 8 as captain Warren Whiteley will not be involved this year due to another setback with his knee injury. Kwagga Smith’s departure to Japan leaves Hacjivah Dayimani as the senior No 8 in the squad.

With his eye on the Olympic Games, the 22-year-old has got himself involved in the sevens set-up since August last year and is probably more focused on that than a Springbok call-up.

Roelof Smit, who has moved across from the Bulls after his frustrations with a lack of game time, will be keen to prove a point and is also an option in the position. At 26 years old, he still has time on his side if he can put his knee injuries aside.

The best chance for a local No 8 to come through will likely be at the coastal franchises, as both the Sharks and Stormers are blessed with depth in the position. In Durban, new signings Sikhumbuzo Notshe and Henco Venter will be fighting for a starting position between them, while Tera Mtembu and Phepsi Buthelezi offer alternatives.

Rassie Erasmus has clearly seen something he likes in Notshe, having given him the chance to go out and play in the Test against Wales in Washington in 2018. However, the 26-year-old has not played a game for the Springboks since, with injuries and a loss of form costing a place in the 2019 World Cup squad.

Meanwhile, at Western Province, Juarno Augustus will be hoping to complete his first professional campaign without any long-term injuries. When fit, the 2017 Junior World Player of the Year offers the closest South African version of England wrecking ball Billy Vunipola.

As a more subtle option, Jaco Coetzee has shown he is more than comfortable at No 8 despite being seen as more of a specialised openside flank.

Younger options exist in Lions rookie Francke Horn, the previously mentioned Uys and Sharks flank Evan Roos, who already made his senior debut in just his first year out of school. While all three have a bright future ahead of them, they possibly need a year or two’s worth of senior development before being considered for Test rugby/

Considering these options, it is likely that we will see either Coetzee or Du Preez provide backup for Vermeulen until the end of the British & Irish Lions series in 2021, when the latter would have to consider his international career.

https://www.sarugbymag.co.za/can-a-local-no-8-stand-up/

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>>>Meanwhile, at Western Province, Juarno Augustus will be hoping to complete his first professional campaign without any long-term injuries. When fit, the 2017 Junior World Player of the Year offers the closest South African version of England wrecking ball Billy Vunipola.

Ek het nog absoluut niks van hierdie speler gesien wat dit regverdig om hom in dieselfde asem as Vunipola te noem nie
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Stem. Daar was so groot ophef van hom gemaak na daai junior wereldbeker en ouens wou mos sommer he hy moet reguit in die senior bok span instap. 


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Hy sukkel baie met beserings - 9 SR games in 3 seisoene
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Jaco Coetzee is yster speler.
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Ek dink ook nie John Dobson gaan die fout maak om showponies te kies nie, hy is 'n goeie afrigter.
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Die Leeus het "diepte" op 8 maar dis onervare diepte

Hacjivah Dayimani
Pikkie de Villiers
Len Massyn
Francke Horn

Cash gaan moet mooi speel om almal redelike speltyd te gee alhoewel Horn nog o21 is
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Ek dink die trui behoort aan Hacjivah, maar hopelik baklei die ander ouens vir die trui. Kompetisie tussen spelers is altyd goed vir die span
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Dis waar maar baie gaan afhang hoe sy Olimpiese drome sy tyd by die Leeus gaan affekteer en dit sal die ander spelers meer kans gee op die veld
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Originally posted by Transvaal Transvaal wrote:

Ek dink die trui behoort aan Hacjivah, maar hopelik baklei die ander ouens vir die trui. Kompetisie tussen spelers is altyd goed vir die span

Ek is nie n groot ou op size nie (excuse the pun),maar ek dink hy is te lig in die broek om inpak te maak op 8. 

WW is n yster , maar hy was ook te lig en dit het hom altyd gebyt. So ou moet alles gee om inpak te maak en word makliker beseer. 

Ons trio balance is ook super NB. 

Ek hou van Smit en Tstituka op 6 en 7, dan kan ons dalk weg kom my n kleiner 8, maar as Schoeman speel , dan sou Ek eerder Horn of Brink oorweeg op 8. 

Met Brink , Smit en Tsituka het ons n baie sterk trio en Sal meer go forward kry , veral met ons “mobile” slotte. Ons gain line success laas jaar was n major issue en het ons meer games gekos as wat mens besef
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Op hierdie baie vroee stadium sou ek se dat ek met Smit op 6 sal begin en Schoeman vir hom op die bank, en dan vir Brink en Tshituka roteer op 7, en Hacjivah op 8.  Hy is in elk geval nie regtig so klein nie, 1.88m en 99kg volgens die laaste stats wat ek vir hom het
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Originally posted by Transvaal Transvaal wrote:

Op hierdie baie vroee stadium sou ek se dat ek met Smit op 6 sal begin en Schoeman vir hom op die bank, en dan vir Brink en Tshituka roteer op 7, en Hacjivah op 8.  Hy is in elk geval nie regtig so klein nie, 1.88m en 99kg volgens die laaste stats wat ek vir hom het
Stem. En al word Alberts dan hoofsaaklik as slot ingespan, keer niks Cash hulle om hom vir 30 minute 8 toe te skuif, sou die situasie dit vereis nie.

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Ek het niks om dit op te back nie, maar my gevoel is dat Willem waarskynlik net as 'n slot oorweef sal word.
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