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Manne probeer nou baie hard maar hoekom so speel in die laaste 10 minute? Doen dit die hele donnerse game manne
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Jammer, maar Rasta het geen reg om op die vlak te blaas nie. Kan niemand dit dan sien nie?
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Die vlagman het nou iets gesien teen ons maar waar was hy met die forward pass?
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Geel kaart vir Matthews so ons het nou 13 spelers op die veld
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Dan knock ons die bal ...kort pass van Zeilinga na Dreyer wat nie die bal verwag nie
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Rasta blaas pateties maar dit vat nie die feit weg dat ons useless is vandag nie ons het basies met ons sterkste span ons het geen springbokke nie verloor teen die twee swakste spanne basies in my opinie ek sal van nou af maar ook net die tellings na die tyd kyk is nie lus om na sulke rugby te kyk nie
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Gordon druk in die regterhoek vir ons, maar gaan niks beteken nie
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Doelskop mis, 41-31 Griekwas met 40 sekondes oor
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Dreyer slaan weer aan maar gelukkig op voordeel
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Skop ook nie die penalty aan die einde vir die ekstra bonuspunt nie.. probeer 'n drie druk wanneer ons inelkgeval nie kan wen nie.. baie slim
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En dis dit, wat 'n verleentheid
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Originally posted by gertjie0000 gertjie0000 wrote:

Rasta blaas pateties maar dit vat nie die feit weg dat ons useless is vandag nie ons het basies met ons sterkste span ons het geen springbokke nie verloor teen die twee swakste spanne basies in my opinie ek sal van nou af maar ook net die tellings na die tyd kyk is nie lus om na sulke rugby te kyk nie
Ek wil nie verskoning maak vir ons swak spel veral in die eerste helfte nie, maar dis die verskil tussen n span wat gereeld speel en een wat nie gereeld speel nie. Rasta het 3 Reise blapse gemaak, wat die verskil tussen wen en verloor kon beteken het.
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Rasta blaas pateties maar dit vat nie die feit weg dat ons useless is vandag nie ons het basies met ons sterkste span ons het geen springbokke nie verloor teen die twee swakste spanne basies in my opinie ek sal van nou af maar ook net die tellings na die tyd kyk is nie lus om na sulke rugby te kyk nie
Ek wil nie verskoning maak vir ons swak spel veral in die eerste helfte nie, maar dis die verskil tussen n span wat gereeld speel en een wat nie gereeld speel nie. Rasta het 3 Reise blapse gemaak, wat die verskil tussen wen en verloor kon beteken het.
Jordan se 2 strafskoppe wat hy agteruit geskop het, was ook crucial. Ons het die geleenthede geskep. Weereens was die afronding sub standaard.
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Skrums was goed, maar dit was omtrent al. Eerste helfde het ons net 'n derde van die besit gehad, wat meestal morsig was. Tweede helfde ietwat beter, maar toe speel ons sonder 'n agterlyn (nou dat ek daaraan dink, speel al die afgelope twee jaar sonder 'n agterlyn)
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Originally posted by valie valie wrote:

Originally posted by gertjie0000 gertjie0000 wrote:

Rasta blaas pateties maar dit vat nie die feit weg dat ons useless is vandag nie ons het basies met ons sterkste span ons het geen springbokke nie verloor teen die twee swakste spanne basies in my opinie ek sal van nou af maar ook net die tellings na die tyd kyk is nie lus om na sulke rugby te kyk nie
Ek wil nie verskoning maak vir ons swak spel veral in die eerste helfte nie, maar dis die verskil tussen n span wat gereeld speel en een wat nie gereeld speel nie. Rasta het 3 Reise blapse gemaak, wat die verskil tussen wen en verloor kon beteken het.

Se jy Griquas speel meer gereeld as ons?
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Originally posted by Leeubok Leeubok wrote:

Originally posted by valie valie wrote:

Originally posted by gertjie0000 gertjie0000 wrote:

Rasta blaas pateties maar dit vat nie die feit weg dat ons useless is vandag nie ons het basies met ons sterkste span ons het geen springbokke nie verloor teen die twee swakste spanne basies in my opinie ek sal van nou af maar ook net die tellings na die tyd kyk is nie lus om na sulke rugby te kyk nie
Ek wil nie verskoning maak vir ons swak spel veral in die eerste helfte nie, maar dis die verskil tussen n span wat gereeld speel en een wat nie gereeld speel nie. Rasta het 3 Reise blapse gemaak, wat die verskil tussen wen en verloor kon beteken het.

Se jy Griquas speel meer gereeld as ons?
 Nee. Ek bedoel hulle het al meer games as ons gespeel, maw meer gereeld as span saamgespeel oor die afgelope maand.Voor die game het hulle 4 actual games al gespeel, terwyl ons maar 2 gespeel het. Hulle het minder ontwrigting gehad, en ek se nie dis hoekom ons verloor het nie, maar dit moes tog n rol gespeel het. 
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How does Rasta keep getting away with openly screwing the Lions?? Two of the Griquas tries were forward passes, then he calls a knock on for one of our tries after the TMO clearly says "there is no evidence of a knock on", his on field decision was a try so that should've stood. Just those incidents are a 21 point swing. 
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Ek dink nie daar is enige geldige verskonings vir ons swak spel nie. 
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Maybe time to "Cash" out...
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Originally posted by Leeubok Leeubok wrote:

Ek dink nie daar is enige geldige verskonings vir ons swak spel nie. 

Daar is, ons slegte afrigting en recruitment! 


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How does Rasta keep getting away with openly screwing the Lions?? Two of the Griquas tries were forward passes, then he calls a knock on for one of our tries after the TMO clearly says "there is no evidence of a knock on", his on field decision was a try so that should've stood. Just those incidents are a 21 point swing. 
My question exactly. We were in the game for most of it despite the fact that we had made a lot of errors. I would say a combo of errors, together with pathetic officiating cost us the game. I don't believe the performance is the fault of the coaching team only. What I do blame on the coaches though, is team selection. 

EW (actually a centre) has been nowhere since he joined us, except maybe for 1 game, while we have the current Junior bok fullback (Quan Horne) on our books. We also have Divan Rossouw who is actually a fullback.

We have 2 springbok flanks (Smit & Kriel who are both game breakers), who, according to reports were both ready to play about 2 weeks ago, yet they never feature. 
None of our scrum halves seem to be able to play at this level, yet Dillon Smit Doesn't get picked.
Manny Ras has had a couple of chances, but he has yet to impress me.
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Originally posted by PaBz0r PaBz0r wrote:

Originally posted by Leeubok Leeubok wrote:

Ek dink nie daar is enige geldige verskonings vir ons swak spel nie. 

Daar is, ons slegte afrigting en recruitment! 

Ja, daai is 2 areas waar ons drasties verandering nodig het!!!
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It was difficult to watch. Poor decision making, poor execution and poor disciple. Don't blame rustiness, rustiness affects handing and timing not a complete lack of game plan. It is also easy to blame players and say they aren't good enough and so on...but how many of these players have pedigree (SA Schools, SA U20, Bok squads/training groups, super rugby experience)? We have seen it back in the mid to late 2000s, guys who were seen as not good enough moved union and suddenly were in the Bok mix. Player ability is not as big an issue as some think. Well drilled club and junior players will run a top team close.

Tactically we aren't good enough. The "pick and go" through 16 phases early in the game despite the blackline having a huge overlap highlighted this - not a single player had the game awareness to go - hey guys, this isn't working but look at the easy try through the hands out right. At no point did it look like there was any plan in that moment. This is coaching. Coaches not creating and developing game plans and structures, and not coaching/empowering players to understand what is going on and recognize opportunities. Game management can be coached.

Can we also stop kidding ourselves every time we sneak a win against the Bulls, Sharks or Stormers. These are lucky results. When was the last time we comfortably beat one of these teams? Not defended like trojans or grabbed a last minute score, I mean comfortable from the start to the end, out play them completely and the result was never in doubt. 

Cash must go! The sooner the better, put Sean Erasmus or the u21 coach, Mziwakhe Nkosi (both of them have coached many of these players at school or in the juniors) in charge for the rest of the Currie Cup. Then find a real coach (easier said than done right now). Cash and top management have screwed up the team culture that promoting from within is not an option - we need a fresh start.

Out of interest, I remember an email was sent to Rudolf Straeuli highlighting our concerns a few months ago - was there ever a response?

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Originally posted by L13 L13 wrote:

It was difficult to watch. Poor decision making, poor execution and poor disciple. Don't blame rustiness, rustiness affects handing and timing not a complete lack of game plan. It is also easy to blame players and say they aren't good enough and so on...but how many of these players have pedigree (SA Schools, SA U20, Bok squads/training groups, super rugby experience)? We have seen it back in the mid to late 2000s, guys who were seen as not good enough moved union and suddenly were in the Bok mix. Player ability is not as big an issue as some think. Well drilled club and junior players will run a top team close.

Tactically we aren't good enough. The "pick and go" through 16 phases early in the game despite the blackline having a huge overlap highlighted this - not a single player had the game awareness to go - hey guys, this isn't working but look at the easy try through the hands out right. At no point did it look like there was any plan in that moment. This is coaching. Coaches not creating and developing game plans and structures, and not coaching/empowering players to understand what is going on and recognize opportunities. Game management can be coached.

Can we also stop kidding ourselves every time we sneak a win against the Bulls, Sharks or Stormers. These are lucky results. When was the last time we comfortably beat one of these teams? Not defended like trojans or grabbed a last minute score, I mean comfortable from the start to the end, out play them completely and the result was never in doubt. 

Cash must go! The sooner the better, put Sean Erasmus or the u21 coach, Mziwakhe Nkosi (both of them have coached many of these players at school or in the juniors) in charge for the rest of the Currie Cup. Then find a real coach (easier said than done right now). Cash and top management have screwed up the team culture that promoting from within is not an option - we need a fresh start.

Out of interest, I remember an email was sent to Rudolf Straeuli highlighting our concerns a few months ago - was there ever a response?

Nope. Nothing, but what was interesting is, after that email, almost the same team that lost against the Pumas went out and won against the WP against all odds, so I suppose there were some hard words spoken.
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Well said L13!

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