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    Posted: 15-Jan-2020 at 7:44am
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Stormers captain Siya Kolisi says the side is prepared to "win ugly" in their efforts to secure a first-ever Super Rugby crown in 2020. 

That mentality hasn't always been part of the fabric at Newlands, particularly under the leadership of former coach Robbie Fleck who was clear in his efforts to play an expansive, eye-catching brand of rugby during his years in charge from 2016-2019. 

After the 2015 Rugby World Cup, where the Springboks finished third after losing their semi-final to eventual champions New Zealand, there was a general feeling in South African rugby circles that the game needed to evolve. 

Skill with ball in hand and an ability to play attacking, running rugby were identified as the key areas where the Springboks could not match the All Blacks, and the decision was taken among some of the Super Rugby franchises to set about closing the gap. 

At the Stormers under Fleck, Mondays were even referred to as "Kiwi day" where offloading was prioritised. 

Even the Bulls up in Pretoria, known for their forward-driven style, began throwing the ball around from deep while Allister Coetzee began his tenure as Springbok coach full of promises to play entertaining rugby. 

That free-spirited approach is unlikely to find its way through the Newlands gates this year, though, as new coach John Dobson sets about creating a winning culture. 

"For the last couple of years, we've been known as a team that's got the flair," Kolisi told media on Monday.

"We've got exciting backs, but a lot of our pack has been in the Springbok squad, so I think the best thing is to find that mix.

"The most important thing is that we win games … it doesn't matter how ugly it is. We obviously want to play rugby that people want to watch, but we want to be smart about it at the same time. We're not going to force stuff.

"At the end of the day, you can play the most exciting rugby but if you're not winning games then that's not going to bring people back to Newlands."

It would be foolish, of course, for the Stormers to ignore the power of their pack given how many victorious Boks they have returning from the World Cup. 

Kolisi, Pieter-Steph du Toit, Frans Malherbe, Bongi Mbonambi and Steven Kitshoff were all in the matchday 23 for the November 2 final against England. 

"The experience, the way Siya and those guys played at the World Cup and the sheer numbers of who has come back from the forwards means that we have to achieve forward dominance," Dobson said. 

"We have to use the pack that we've got to generate momentum for the amazingly talented backs that we have. It's not something from NASA.

"Siya, for example, is x-factor and is a superb carrier of the rugby ball and it would be stupid to deprive him of that skill and just make him chase kicks or hit 40 breakdowns.

"We cannot spurn the power of the personnel we have up front, so it’s going to be a hybrid game."

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The stormers were at their best when they played a defensive orientated game. 

It was boring as hell, but effective. 

Our conference is wide open this year, it will be very difficult to call. 

But , if I had to make a call, the Lions, Stormers and Jaguares are contenders for this confernece. 

The Bulls have lost to many players, the sharks are a bit of a lucky packet team, they went on a huge buying spree, but I am not sure if they have a better side than last year and last year they were very average
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Ek wou ook se dat dit altyd beter is om lelik te wen as om mooi te verloor!
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Yay.. ag jis ek kannie wag dat hierdie pre-season praatjies klaar is nie. 
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Originally posted by Transvaal Transvaal wrote:

Ek wou ook se dat dit altyd beter is om lelik te wen as om mooi te verloor!
Jip, maar mooi wen bly die beste. Ek dink op die ou end gaan dit oor balans, en hoe die spelers kan aanpas by wat voor hulle is.
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Originally posted by valie valie wrote:

Originally posted by Transvaal Transvaal wrote:

Ek wou ook se dat dit altyd beter is om lelik te wen as om mooi te verloor!
Jip, maar mooi wen bly die beste. Ek dink op die ou end gaan dit oor balans, en hoe die spelers kan aanpas by wat voor hulle is.
Any win is a good win, but when you can score tries, that makes the win so much sweeter.
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Scoring tries bring bonus points, which can be crucial at the end of the season. Provided the defence keeps out tries, unlike last year
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Originally posted by GoLions GoLions wrote:

Scoring tries bring bonus points, which can be crucial at the end of the season. Provided the defence keeps out tries, unlike last year

Scoring tries have become easier than not conceding, that’s the problem . Bonus points will be hard to come by 
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Originally posted by Niela Niela wrote:

Originally posted by GoLions GoLions wrote:

Scoring tries bring bonus points, which can be crucial at the end of the season. Provided the defence keeps out tries, unlike last year

Scoring tries have become easier than not conceding, that’s the problem . Bonus points will be hard to come by 
Last year that was in part due to Swys's philosophy of not worrying about the opposition scoring as long as we scored more

We had 8 wins but only 3 BPs and finished 9th whereas the Sharks (7), Chiefs (7) and Landers (6) as had less wins but made the play-offs due to bonus points.

The last year under Ackers (2017) we had our defence sorted out and conceded only 27 tries but it all went to pot again from 2018
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A defensive side can score tries. Look at the Bokke in the WC. Great defensive side, but scored more tries than any other side, including the AB's. 
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19 of the 27 pool tries came against Namibia and Canada when the B team was playing an attacking game. Another 7 against Italy
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Originally posted by GoLions GoLions wrote:

19 of the 27 pool tries came against Namibia and Canada when the B team was playing an attacking game. Another 7 against Italy
Remember, NZ was in the same pool.
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You're not wrong though. In 2017 we scored 81 tries but let in only 27
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"For the last couple of years, we've been known as a team that's got the flair," Kolisi told media on Monday.

A comment like this just reiterates how little he actually knows about the game... when have the Stormers been known as a team that jas flair??

And just for the record, any Stormers win will be an ugly win, no matter how it comes about.


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