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Originally posted by Leeubok Leeubok wrote:

Originally posted by Transvaal Transvaal wrote:

Wel wat ek gehoor het is dat hy die voorspeler afrigter gaan wees

En Lemmer? Het ek iets gemis of wat doen hy dan?

Lemmer word dan die afbreekpunt afrigter (breakdowns). Ek dink Lemmer en Redelinghuys het seker saam na ons skrums gekyk en sal seker steeds daarmee voortgaan?

That could be a case of too many chefs, having a forwards coach, break down coach and scrum coach. 

I would use Waza as a Defense coach rather. But it looks like the call is already made. 

Lemmer is a wrestler , he understands how to use your body weight to move opponents of the ball, but that isn’t a full time job , doesn’t seem economically viable to me 
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Dit sal nice wees as die unie die volle afrigting struktuur en spelers squad kan aankondig voor die einde van die jaar. 
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Originally posted by GoLions GoLions wrote:

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Wasn't PSDT originally a 5, converted to a 7?

Well, they still have Bongi (bok starter), Malherbe (starter), Kitshoff?, PSDT (world player of the year), Kolisi (bok captain). Elstadst's name was bandied about a lot before the WC as a player on standby. On paper they'll have one of the best packs in the competition. Lets see how that works out for them.
He was a 7 as a junior. The move to 5 started when he moved to the Sharks afaik. HM's idea?

Oh ok. I just remembered him playing 5 with EE mostly, and moving to flank every now and again. 
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Wel wat ek gehoor het is dat hy die voorspeler afrigter gaan wees

En Lemmer? Het ek iets gemis of wat doen hy dan?

Lemmer word dan die afbreekpunt afrigter (breakdowns). Ek dink Lemmer en Redelinghuys het seker saam na ons skrums gekyk en sal seker steeds daarmee voortgaan?
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Moving Lemmer to concentrate on rucks would be a dumb move in my opinion.  He (Lemmer) has done a solid job with our scrums the past two seasons, but has been average to poor in improving the forwards rucks and mauls  thus far. Warren has the cerebral qualities to improve the forwards all round play.
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Originally posted by Leeubok Leeubok wrote:

Wasn't PSDT originally a 5, converted to a 7?

Well, they still have Bongi (bok starter), Malherbe (starter), Kitshoff?, PSDT (world player of the year), Kolisi (bok captain). Elstadst's name was bandied about a lot before the WC as a player on standby. On paper they'll have one of the best packs in the competition. Lets see how that works out for them.
He was a 7 as a junior. The move to 5 started when he moved to the Sharks afaik. HM's idea?


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Originally posted by GoLions GoLions wrote:

Originally posted by Leeubok Leeubok wrote:

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The only way you can change it is getting an experience defense coach, I don't see that happening. I do believe our defense will improve from last year (can't really get worst), but our game plan will not change. I see Dobson is talking about changing the game plan and following Rassie's idea. It will not work, you need 2 massive packs and WP does not have that. Also they don't have Nienaber, so it might be a long season even with the boks they have.

They have a large portion of the bok pack, don't they? Only EE and 1 other bok I can't remember now (might be De Allende) won't be available to them in 2020. So it should be fairly easy for them to continue the bok gameplan
They don't have a Bok second row and their lineouts have been poor for a number of seasons already. The experiment to convert PSdT to a #5 didn't work and I'm glad to see that it has been dumped.

The Bok plan worked with two interchangeable tight 5 packs. No SA team has that

Wasn't PSDT originally a 5, converted to a 7?

Well, they still have Bongi (bok starter), Malherbe (starter), Kitshoff?, PSDT (world player of the year), Kolisi (bok captain). Elstadst's name was bandied about a lot before the WC as a player on standby. On paper they'll have one of the best packs in the competition. Lets see how that works out for them.
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Originally posted by Transvaal Transvaal wrote:

Wel wat ek gehoor het is dat hy die voorspeler afrigter gaan wees

En Lemmer? Het ek iets gemis of wat doen hy dan?
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That's what I have heard as well, with Lemmer looking after the breakdowns. 

Cash has been making the right noises regarding a more balanced approach. I always maintain that a team should build scoreboard pressure early on. Take the points on offer, build a 14+ points lead to make sure the game is in the bag first before going for the bonus point try. With the current bonus point system, defence should be very important, to prevent the opposition from scoring a try that could rob you of a bonus point, and potentially a home play off game.
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Originally posted by Leeubok Leeubok wrote:

Originally posted by LION@SEA LION@SEA wrote:

The only way you can change it is getting an experience defense coach, I don't see that happening. I do believe our defense will improve from last year (can't really get worst), but our game plan will not change. I see Dobson is talking about changing the game plan and following Rassie's idea. It will not work, you need 2 massive packs and WP does not have that. Also they don't have Nienaber, so it might be a long season even with the boks they have.

They have a large portion of the bok pack, don't they? Only EE and 1 other bok I can't remember now (might be De Allende) won't be available to them in 2020. So it should be fairly easy for them to continue the bok gameplan
They don't have a Bok second row and their lineouts have been poor for a number of seasons already. The experiment to convert PSdT to a #5 didn't work and I'm glad to see that it has been dumped.

The Bok plan worked with two interchangeable tight 5 packs. No SA team has that
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Wel wat ek gehoor het is dat hy die voorspeler afrigter gaan wees
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Ek wonder of WW nie dalk die rol van defence coach sal vul nie? Hy was altyd 'n uitstekende verdediger en het gereeld die meeste duikslae per wedstryd gemaak. Beteken seker nie hy sal automaties n goeie coach maak nie, maar ek wonder net in watter ander posisie hul hom sal plaas?
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Glad to hear that management realize the importance of improving defense as well as tactical kicking. Other aspects that need urgent attention is ball retention as well as our mauling technique by our forwards. Think Whitely will help guide our forwards in these areas.
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We need balance, Cash is saying the right things, lets hope we can implement it on the field

Stem, ek hou daarvan dat hy nie op net 1 aspek van die spel fokus nie. Dit het my grensloos geirriteer as Swys altyd net van driee druk gepraat het
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The only way you can change it is getting an experience defense coach, I don't see that happening. I do believe our defense will improve from last year (can't really get worst), but our game plan will not change. I see Dobson is talking about changing the game plan and following Rassie's idea. It will not work, you need 2 massive packs and WP does not have that. Also they don't have Nienaber, so it might be a long season even with the boks they have.

They have a large portion of the bok pack, don't they? Only EE and 1 other bok I can't remember now (might be De Allende) won't be available to them in 2020. So it should be fairly easy for them to continue the bok gameplan
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The only way you can change it is getting an experience defense coach, I don't see that happening. I do believe our defense will improve from last year (can't really get worst), but our game plan will not change. I see Dobson is talking about changing the game plan and following Rassie's idea. It will not work, you need 2 massive packs and WP does not have that. Also they don't have Nienaber, so it might be a long season even with the boks they have.
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We need balance, Cash is saying the right things, lets hope we can implement it on the field
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Originally posted by LION@SEA LION@SEA wrote:

L4E, we can do it with a player like Hacjivah Dayimani. So either Stean Pienaar or Gianni Lombard will be replaced but I don't think Cash will do it as we are not an defensive side.
From his media interviews I get the idea that Cash is going to change that. 

In our last season under Ackers our defence was a strength and we conceded the least number of tries in SR (27) but Swys changed that again to scoring more points as being most important.

Another thing, reading Cash's statements, is that he'll be looking to improve our tactical kicking. Not change us into a kicking team but being able to change our game up with an effective kicking game when needed


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L4E, we can do it with a player like Hacjivah Dayimani. So either Stean Pienaar or Gianni Lombard will be replaced but I don't think Cash will do it as we are not an defensive side.
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Will be really sad if WW finally has to retire due to injury. He is a true gentleman of the game, talented and a great leader. We will miss him on the field, but his presence in the coaching structures will be a huge factor for us.

I see the 2 potential teams mentioned here have the traditional 5-3 bench split. If we had to go with Rassie's  6-2 "bomb squad" version, how would that look?
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Transvaal, not sure Sadie will sign with the Lions if he is not a starter. I can't see how he would not be a stater after last year, he was incredible in open play and don't think anyone enjoyed scrumming against him. Jannie scrum has always been good, but that is about it with the years of experience his brings as well. Also he can scrum both side, so that is so valuable of the bench.

Well it sounds like Sadie did sign up to join us, it just hasn't been officially confirmed
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Transvaal, not sure Sadie will sign with the Lions if he is not a starter. I can't see how he would not be a stater after last year, he was incredible in open play and don't think anyone enjoyed scrumming against him. Jannie scrum has always been good, but that is about it with the years of experience his brings as well. Also he can scrum both side, so that is so valuable of the bench.
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Niela, that would be an awesome attacking back line, problem is the size of the guys you picked. You don't have one player that can take the ball up in contact. With rush defense being our biggest problem over the past few years you really do need a big 12 to keep the defense guessing. Defense will also be a big issue, hopefully Green and Andries will get the best out of each other. Things are starting to shape up very nicely.
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Originally posted by Transvaal Transvaal wrote:

I'm sure that Jannie would start, and that Sadie will play off the bench once Jannie is tired.

That would also make sense, but rugby is changing your bench has to be very strong, especially up front. Will be good to have some experience on the field in the 80th minute when the game is really won or lost 

That's why I would have Jannie come on later. 

Warner can also start and Ross can come on to close the game with the same logic. 
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Ross better step up and improve his game, he wasn't very good this year. Otherwise I'd play him off the bench
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