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Originally posted by Niela Niela wrote:

We are in trouble, our coaching team looks frail, our youngsters are good , but nothing exceptional (yet)

It will be hard for the lions to do well in superugby next couple of years. We need an urgent intervention

1. We need one or two harde baard forwards. 
2. We need a class tight head
3. Depth at 9 and 10 (reynolds has done better than I expected, but don't see him dominating as a 10).
4. Defense coach (How is this even a requirement , it should be a given)
5. Head coach ?? not sure, but we need to help swys or make a plan



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Originally posted by Niela Niela wrote:

We are in trouble, our coaching team looks frail, our youngsters are good , but nothing exceptional (yet)

It will be hard for the lions to do well in superugby next couple of years. We need an urgent intervention

1. We need one or two harde baard forwards. 
2. We need a class tight head
3. Depth at 9 and 10 (reynolds has done better than I expected, but don't see him dominating as a 10).
4. Defense coach (How is this even a requirement , it should be a given)
5. Head coach ?? not sure, but we need to help swys or make a plan



Agree with most of your points. Upfront we have struggled, but the with exception of the Bulls game, the young pack has been competitive. Hopefully they will harden and gain experience. Dont think we have the finances to attract big name experienced players.

Since the departure of Fav, we have not had a no9 who looked close to being international class, and it does not look like we are interested in developing one. Reynolds has aspects on his game to work on, but seems one of the few inside backs with the ability to breach the defense.

Midfield has been a big problem area this season. Simelane has great attacking flair as a ouside back, but he certainly is no 13. I would seriously consider swapping Pienaar and Simelane. No one has put his hand up for Super Rugby for no12 jumper.

Our outside backs, especially Green, have been great on attack. Not sure how they will do on defense and under high ball against good opposition.

Spot on regarding the coaching


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Originally posted by emiel1 emiel1 wrote:

Originally posted by Niela Niela wrote:

We are in trouble, our coaching team looks frail, our youngsters are good , but nothing exceptional (yet)

It will be hard for the lions to do well in superugby next couple of years. We need an urgent intervention

1. We need one or two harde baard forwards. 
2. We need a class tight head
3. Depth at 9 and 10 (reynolds has done better than I expected, but don't see him dominating as a 10).
4. Defense coach (How is this even a requirement , it should be a given)
5. Head coach ?? not sure, but we need to help swys or make a plan



Agree with most of your points. Upfront we have struggled, but the with exception of the Bulls game, the young pack has been competitive. Hopefully they will harden and gain experience. Dont think we have the finances to attract big name experienced players.

Since the departure of Fav, we have not had a no9 who looked close to being international class, and it does not look like we are interested in developing one. Reynolds has aspects on his game to work on, but seems one of the few inside backs with the ability to breach the defense.

Midfield has been a big problem area this season. Simelane has great attacking flair as a ouside back, but he certainly is no 13. I would seriously consider swapping Pienaar and Simelane. No one has put his hand up for Super Rugby for no12 jumper.

Our outside backs, especially Green, have been great on attack. Not sure how they will do on defense and under high ball against good opposition.

Spot on regarding the coaching
When Lombard is back, I would shift Reynolds to no 12. He is big, and can do the crash ball when needed, yet at the same time can attack space. With a few extra seconds at his disposal, he can be a lethal playmaker. I think he is a  natural 12, and is adequate at 10. My question about 9 is, why have we not used Thain more? He is quick, unpredictable and is more level headed than Faf was at this stage of his career. 
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I agree that we need some players in certain positions. To me the coaching team doesn't seem frail.

We are playing/using the same processes we have been using the past 4 - 5 years, however we have lost almost our whole player personnel.

Facts are:
1. Our pack isn't dominating - since 2015 we have lost 4 first choice props, two hookers, 3 starting locks, 4 loose forwards that each can make the starting XV. - Not the coaching team's fault.

2. Our backline sometimes looks flat footed and without plan - Because the forwards don't dominate as they use to, it flows over to our backline play - Not the coaching team's fault.

3. We concede too many tries - maybe part of this can be blamed on the coaching team, but if players keep losing the ball in contact, throw intercept passes, or are not sticking to the defensive structures, you can't blame the coaching team, you have to blame the players.

The difference between now and when Ackers started to rebuild the team, is that he had the luxury of not being involved in SR, which gave us the chance to develop our brand of rugby and fine tune it against teams that weren't as good as the SR franchises, or CC teams without their boks.

The reality is that you need experienced players in certain positions, which we don't currently have. A prop only usually starts to reach maturity from about 27. Exept for Jacobie, our oldest prop is 24. Our most experienced lock is Orie at 26.

If this team (+ the injured players) can stay together for 3 years, and we can sign one or two key players, we will again be a force in SR.



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Originally posted by valie valie wrote:

I agree that we need some players in certain positions. To me the coaching team doesn't seem frail.

We are playing/using the same processes we have been using the past 4 - 5 years, however we have lost almost our whole player personnel.

Facts are:
1. Our pack isn't dominating - since 2015 we have lost 4 first choice props, two hookers, 3 starting locks, 4 loose forwards that each can make the starting XV. - Not the coaching team's fault.

2. Our backline sometimes looks flat footed and without plan - Because the forwards don't dominate as they use to, it flows over to our backline play - Not the coaching team's fault.

3. We concede too many tries - maybe part of this can be blamed on the coaching team, but if players keep losing the ball in contact, throw intercept passes, or are not sticking to the defensive structures, you can't blame the coaching team, you have to blame the players.

The difference between now and when Ackers started to rebuild the team, is that he had the luxury of not being involved in SR, which gave us the chance to develop our brand of rugby and fine tune it against teams that weren't as good as the SR franchises, or CC teams without their boks.

The reality is that you need experienced players in certain positions, which we don't currently have. A prop only usually starts to reach maturity from about 27. Exept for Jacobie, our oldest prop is 24. Our most experienced lock is Orie at 26.

If this team (+ the injured players) can stay together for 3 years, and we can sign one or two key players, we will again be a force in SR.


Valie, dit voel of ek en jy altyd stry.. Tongue Ek verstaan wat jy probeer se, maar stem nie heeltemal saam nie.

1. Ja ons het 'n helse klomp top spelers verloor. Dit gaan natuurlik die span seermaak. MAAR in vandag se tyd is dit 'n jaarlikse realiteit, en ons is nie die enigste span met wie dit gebeur nie. Mits miskien die NZ spanne wat redelik konstant dieselfde bly. Om teen 'n ander SA span te gaan staan en verloor wat net soveel ontwrigting gehad het pla my.
2. Dis waar wat jy se. Maar mens kannie altyd die forwards blameer as die agterlyn swak doen nie. Ek dink 'n groot deel van die probleem le by ons 9's wat te stadig is en swak diens lewer.
3. Driee met omkeer besit is een ding. Maar dis nie al wanneer ons driee afstaan nie.. Spesifiek dink ek aan Curwin Bosch wat n paar keer die bal ontvang het vanaf 'n skop en dwarsdeur ons span gehardloop het. Sekerlik wanneer iemand skop weet elke ou op die veld om 'n lyn te vorm en die klein bliksem te tackle!!?? Oor die algemeen le ek die blaam vir ons swak verdediging voor die afrigters se deur.

"The difference between now and when Ackers started to rebuild the team, is that he had the luxury of not being involved in SR, which gave us the chance to develop our brand of rugby and fine tune it against teams that weren't as good as the SR franchises, or CC teams without their boks." - daarteenoor het Swys die luxury gehad om die helfde van Ackers se wenspan te erf, plus hy was deel van die hele span herlewing so weet presies wat om te doen. Hy het wel sy eerste seisoen die finaal gehaal, maar dit was afdraende al die pad van daar af.. 

"If this team (+ the injured players) can stay together for 3 years, and we can sign one or two key players, we will again be a force in SR." - Dalk is ek pessimisties maar ek dink nie enige SA span sal ooit weer dieselfde span vir meer as 'n jaar of 2 hou nie. Jonger spelers gebruik super rugby om raakgesien te word, en vat dan die eerste grootste aanbod oorsee. Iemand soos Tyrone Green dink ek gaan nie lank te wag vir die aanbiedinge om in te stroom nie..

Ek stem saam oor die ervaring wat ons kort. Daarom dink ek die Bulls het 'n goeie model om te volg deur 2-3 ervare ouens van oorsee af terug te lok. Al is dit net vir 1 seisoen!
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Originally posted by Leeubok Leeubok wrote:

Originally posted by valie valie wrote:

I agree that we need some players in certain positions. To me the coaching team doesn't seem frail.

We are playing/using the same processes we have been using the past 4 - 5 years, however we have lost almost our whole player personnel.

Facts are:
1. Our pack isn't dominating - since 2015 we have lost 4 first choice props, two hookers, 3 starting locks, 4 loose forwards that each can make the starting XV. - Not the coaching team's fault.

2. Our backline sometimes looks flat footed and without plan - Because the forwards don't dominate as they use to, it flows over to our backline play - Not the coaching team's fault.

3. We concede too many tries - maybe part of this can be blamed on the coaching team, but if players keep losing the ball in contact, throw intercept passes, or are not sticking to the defensive structures, you can't blame the coaching team, you have to blame the players.

The difference between now and when Ackers started to rebuild the team, is that he had the luxury of not being involved in SR, which gave us the chance to develop our brand of rugby and fine tune it against teams that weren't as good as the SR franchises, or CC teams without their boks.

The reality is that you need experienced players in certain positions, which we don't currently have. A prop only usually starts to reach maturity from about 27. Exept for Jacobie, our oldest prop is 24. Our most experienced lock is Orie at 26.

If this team (+ the injured players) can stay together for 3 years, and we can sign one or two key players, we will again be a force in SR.


Valie, dit voel of ek en jy altyd stry.. Tongue Ek verstaan wat jy probeer se, maar stem nie heeltemal saam nie.

1. Ja ons het 'n helse klomp top spelers verloor. Dit gaan natuurlik die span seermaak. MAAR in vandag se tyd is dit 'n jaarlikse realiteit, en ons is nie die enigste span met wie dit gebeur nie. Mits miskien die NZ spanne wat redelik konstant dieselfde bly. Om teen 'n ander SA span te gaan staan en verloor wat net soveel ontwrigting gehad het pla my.
2. Dis waar wat jy se. Maar mens kannie altyd die forwards blameer as die agterlyn swak doen nie. Ek dink 'n groot deel van die probleem le by ons 9's wat te stadig is en swak diens lewer.
3. Driee met omkeer besit is een ding. Maar dis nie al wanneer ons driee afstaan nie.. Spesifiek dink ek aan Curwin Bosch wat n paar keer die bal ontvang het vanaf 'n skop en dwarsdeur ons span gehardloop het. Sekerlik wanneer iemand skop weet elke ou op die veld om 'n lyn te vorm en die klein bliksem te tackle!!?? Oor die algemeen le ek die blaam vir ons swak verdediging voor die afrigters se deur.

"The difference between now and when Ackers started to rebuild the team, is that he had the luxury of not being involved in SR, which gave us the chance to develop our brand of rugby and fine tune it against teams that weren't as good as the SR franchises, or CC teams without their boks." - daarteenoor het Swys die luxury gehad om die helfde van Ackers se wenspan te erf, plus hy was deel van die hele span herlewing so weet presies wat om te doen. Hy het wel sy eerste seisoen die finaal gehaal, maar dit was afdraende al die pad van daar af.. 

"If this team (+ the injured players) can stay together for 3 years, and we can sign one or two key players, we will again be a force in SR." - Dalk is ek pessimisties maar ek dink nie enige SA span sal ooit weer dieselfde span vir meer as 'n jaar of 2 hou nie. Jonger spelers gebruik super rugby om raakgesien te word, en vat dan die eerste grootste aanbod oorsee. Iemand soos Tyrone Green dink ek gaan nie lank te wag vir die aanbiedinge om in te stroom nie..

Ek stem saam oor die ervaring wat ons kort. Daarom dink ek die Bulls het 'n goeie model om te volg deur 2-3 ervare ouens van oorsee af terug te lok. Al is dit net vir 1 seisoen!
Thumbs Up, Elke ou is geregtig op sy opinie, en oor ek van jou verskil, beteken nie noodwendig ek is reg nie. Ek se maar soos ek dit vanaf my hoek af sien. Ek is n liefhebber en nie n kenner nie. Dis goed as ons kan verskil, en steeds mekaar se opinies te respekteer, al verskil dit van ons s'n.
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Ek sien Jamba is sommer op die bank
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Matthews was 2 wedstryde op die bank en is nou weer nerens
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Matthews was 2 wedstryde op die bank en is nou weer nerens

Span opgedateer, en ek sien Matthews is op 12?
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Twee vleeuls wat nie kan pass nie doen diens in die middeveld. 
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Bly om te sien La Grance is terug op die bank.
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Weet nie van Matthews nie, maar Jacobie wat begin is n goeie besluit.  Marnus het ons broodnodig om hulle bal stadig te maak.
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Matthews was 2 wedstryde op die bank en is nou weer nerens

Is hy die vleuel wat ons by WP gekoop het?
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Originally posted by Transvaal Transvaal wrote:

Matthews was 2 wedstryde op die bank en is nou weer nerens

Is hy die vleuel wat ons by WP gekoop het?

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Dink dis ons beste 23 hierdie CB. Weet net nie van 12 nie maar kom ons kyk.
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12 is 'n vreeslike belangrike speler in enige agterlyn, as hy kleitrap gaan 13, 14, 11 en 15 net balle kry as die ander spanskop....LOL!
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Ons het ook vreeslik gesukkel in die lynstane, en dit was amper alles met balle wat agter gegooi was, maw op die loosies en nie op die slotte nie
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Sien die gereelde Griekwas loskop en skrumskakel speel nie die naweek nie. Twees van hulle beter spelers. Behoort ons 'n kans te gee.
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Sien die gereelde Griekwas loskop en skrumskakel speel nie die naweek nie. Twees van hulle beter spelers. Behoort ons 'n kans te gee.
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Die skrummie is beseer en lank uit
Dis jammer Zakkie was saam my laaitie destyds in Kleingim. Hy het regtig uitstekend gespeel in die CC.
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Ek kyk so na die oefening fotos van die Leeus op facebook en kan nie help om te dink dit sou beter gewees het as hulle liewer elke dag 12 uur op een of ander skool se B rugby veld wat vol gate en dubbeltjies is geoefen het nie, n saterdag midag 15h00 in Kimerley is n harde afspraak .... jy speel soveel teen die elemente daar as wat jy teen n klomp harde manne speel.... hou dit liewer dop op die kassie met n koue een in die hand .
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Matthews 1.82m, 88kg
Rass 1.74m, 84kg
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Matthews 1.82m, 88kg
Rass 1.74m, 84kg

So Matthews is 8cm langer en 4kg swaarder as Rass. Ek en iemand op die forum het gepraat daaroor en wonder hoe Matthews gaan vaar op 12
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