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Topic: Whiteley speel nie vir Leeus in Super Rugby 2020
Posted By: Transvaal
Subject: Whiteley speel nie vir Leeus in Super Rugby 2020
Date Posted: 22-Nov-2019 at 7:20am
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Dit lyk al hoe meer asof Warren Whiteley die knie as rugbyspeler sal moet buig.

Whiteley sal nie aanstaande jaar vir die Leeus in die Superreeks in aksie kan wees nie en sy rugbyheil blyk voortaan as afrigter te lê.

Altmann Allers, die voorsitter en eienaar van die Leeus-maatskappy, het Donderdag bevestig dat daar geen sien van Whiteley op die speelveld gaan wees in aanstaande jaar se Superreeks nie.

“Warren het teenoor my erken hy ervaar nog heelwat pyn (in sy knie). Dit is ’n geval dat hy mooi herstel, maar dat daar telkens ’n terugslag is en dat hy nie sommer gou weer sal kan speel nie. Die besluit is gemaak dat hy nie volgende jaar vir ons in die Superreeks betrokke sal kan wees as speler nie,” het Allers gesê.

Whiteley se loopbaan is die afgelope twee seisoene bloots gery deur verskeie beserings, maar dit is veral die knieligamente wat hom kwaai opkeil. In ’n stadium vanjaar is daar probeer om hom betyds reg te kry vir die Wêreldbeker-toernooi in Japan, maar dit blyk dat daardie versnelde proses meer skade as goed aangerig het en die einde van sy spelerloopbaan kan beteken.

Na verneem word, sal Whiteley aanstaande jaar diens doen as die Leeus se voorspeler-afrigter, met Philip Lemmer, wat die voorspelers die afgelope twee jaar gebrei het, wat herontplooi sal word as die afrigter by die afbreekpunte.

Allers kon dit nie bevestig nie, maar sê hy is wel oortuig die nuwe hoofafrigter, Ivan van Rooyen, sal Whiteley wel as afrigter aanwend. “Warren is so waardevol in ons opset dat hy wel benut moet word. Hy kan ook as tussenganger optree tussen die spelers en die spanbestuur,” sê Allers.

As agtsteman en kaptein van die Leeus was Whiteley een van die hoofredes waarom die Leeus van 2016 tot 2018 drie keer in die Super-eindstryd gespeel het. Hy is baie inspirerend vir die spelers en daarom is hy dadelik aangewend in ’n rol as mentor en afrigter.

Allers het ook bevestig dat daar met ’n aantal hoëprofiel-spelers onderhandel word.</p><p>“Ons onderhandel met spelers wat sal help toesien dat ons ’n faktor in aanstaande jaar se Superreeks is en dat ons baie mededingend gaan wees,” sê hy.

Die voormalige Bok-stut Jannie du Plessis is een van daardie spelers, maar Allers wou nie bevestig of daar ook met sy broer, Bismarck, onderhandel word om Leeus toe te kom nie. 

Met Malcolm Marx nie aanstaande jaar deel van die Leeus-opset nie, sal die Leeus kan doen met ’n haker van gehalte en die broers Du Plessis het in die verlede telkens vir dieselfde spanne gespeel. Hulle kom dus omtrent altyd as ’n pakket.

Die veelsydige Springbok-agterspeler Frans Steyn het die Leeus glo voor vanjaar se Wêreldbeker-toernooi genader oor die moontlikheid om in die toekoms vir hulle te speel. Hy is egter ook met ander unies verbind, en hoewel hy huis gekoop het in Bloemfontein, is dit nie uitgesluit dat hy ’n Rooibonte kan word nie.

Dit is egter veral vaste voorspelers wat hoog op die Leeus se inkopielys is. Tog het Allers gesê dat in sekere gevalle daar vertroue gestel moet word in die jong spelers in die stelsel om deur te kom.

Volgens hom sal die aanwinste aangekondig word voordat die groep in Desember vir die Kersvakansie uiteengaan.



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Posted By: LION@SEA
Date Posted: 22-Nov-2019 at 8:11am
Wow dit sal awesome wees om Bissie te kry, sal verseker die pak he om ander spanne seer te maak. Het hulle net nodig vir n jaar, so sal die jong manne leer en Marx is dan die jaar daarna terug. Ek voel baie beter oor volgende jaar as die jaar, hopelik bring die jong manne hulle kant ook. Goeie tye!


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Posted By: Transvaal
Date Posted: 22-Nov-2019 at 8:14am
Bissie was verseker op sy tyd die beste haker in SA en moontlik die wereld, maar dis ook al weer baie jare gelede. 


Posted By: Transvaal
Date Posted: 22-Nov-2019 at 8:15am
Ek weet ook nie of die Leeus eers met Bissie praat nie, ek dink Christo spekuleer wild


Posted By: Leeubok
Date Posted: 22-Nov-2019 at 8:18am
En ek verbeel my ek het iewers gesien Frans Steyn het weer in Frankryk geteken, selfde span as Pollard. Of was dit iemand anders?


Posted By: Transvaal
Date Posted: 22-Nov-2019 at 8:20am
Originally posted by Leeubok Leeubok wrote:

En ek verbeel my ek het iewers gesien Frans Steyn het weer in Frankryk geteken, selfde span as Pollard. Of was dit iemand anders?

Nee ek twyfel, ek dink dis redelik seker hy wil in SA speel, hy soek nog net 'n kontrak


Posted By: Transvaal
Date Posted: 22-Nov-2019 at 8:24am
https://www.hugerugby.news/international/steyns-rugby-career-could-be-over/" rel="nofollow - https://www.hugerugby.news/international/steyns-rugby-career-could-be-over/


https://www.hugerugby.news/tag/springboks/" rel="nofollow - Springboks  great Frans Steyn looks likely to at least pull the curtain down on his European career in order to return to his homeland.

The two-time  https://www.hugerugby.news/category/rugby-world-cup/" rel="nofollow - Rugby World Cup  winner, who managed to pick up medals from the 2007 edition of the tournament and this year’s one, beating  https://www.hugerugby.news/tag/england/" rel="nofollow - England  in both finals, is currently contracted to  https://www.hugerugby.news/tag/france/" rel="nofollow - French  Top 14 giants Montpellier. 

However, it is believed that he has held discussions with the club about ending his contract come the end of January instead of when it is supposed to expire in July and speaking to South African news-outlet Volksblad, he seems keen on settling down in his homeland. 

The 32-year-old has a family farm in Bloemfontein and it is understood this is not the first time he has made the suggestion to return to the area, but it now looks more likely than ever that he will get what he likes. 

Steyn is expected to return to the French club next week, where he would play until January before his possible move back to South Africa. 

At this time it is unknown whether the back would continue his rugby career with local professional side the  https://www.hugerugby.news/tag/cheetahs/" rel="nofollow - Cheetahs , who play in the  https://www.hugerugby.news/category/pro14/" rel="nofollow - PRO14 , or whether he will end his career early, having played at the top level for such a long time already.



Posted By: Red_Machine
Date Posted: 22-Nov-2019 at 8:27am
Possibly the saddest thing I've read in a while, an amazing player and a leader 2nd to none. Captain my Captain.


Posted By: LION@SEA
Date Posted: 22-Nov-2019 at 8:27am
My span as ons almal kry: 15 Andries Coetzee; 14 Stean Pienaar, 13 Wandisile Simelane, 12 Dan Kriel, 11 Courtnall Skosan; 10 Elton Jantjies, 9 Ross Cronje ; 8 Cyle Brink, 7 Vincent Tshituka, 6 Roelof Smit, 5 Marvin Orie, 4 Ruben Schoeman, 3 Carlü Sadie, 2 Bismarck, 1 Dylan Smith

16 Pieter Jansen/Jan-Henning Campher, 17 Jannie du Plessis, 18 Sti Sithole/Johannes Jonker, 19 Rhyno Herbst, 20 Marnus Schoeman, 21 André Warner, 22 Gianni Lombard, 23 Tyrone Green

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Posted By: Niela
Date Posted: 22-Nov-2019 at 8:46am
Originally posted by LION@SEA LION@SEA wrote:

My span as ons almal kry: 15 Andries Coetzee; 14 Stean Pienaar, 13 Wandisile Simelane, 12 Dan Kriel, 11 Courtnall Skosan; 10 Elton Jantjies, 9 Ross Cronje ; 8 Cyle Brink, 7 Vincent Tshituka, 6 Roelof Smit, 5 Marvin Orie, 4 Ruben Schoeman, 3 Carlü Sadie, 2 Bismarck, 1 Dylan Smith

16 Pieter Jansen/Jan-Henning Campher, 17 Jannie du Plessis, 18 Sti Sithole/Johannes Jonker, 19 Rhyno Herbst, 20 Marnus Schoeman, 21 André Warner, 22 Gianni Lombard, 23 Tyrone Green


That a decent side, I would just change it up a bit:

15 Andries Coetzee; 14 Tyrone Green, 13 Wandisile Simelane, 12 Elton Jantjies,, 11 Courtnall Skosan; 10 Gianni Lombard 9 Ross Cronje ; 8 Cyle Brink, 7 Vincent Tshituka, 6 Roelof Smit, 5 Marvin Orie, 4 Ruben Schoeman, 3 Carlü Sadie, 2 Bismarck, 1 Dylan Smith

16 Jan-Henning Campher, 17 Jannie du Plessis, 18 Sti Sithole, 19 Ruan Vermaak, 20 Marnus Schoeman, 21 André Warner, 22 Dan Kriel  23 Stean Pienaar

Who will be your captain ? I would make Elton captain, I know he has his critics, but he is part of the leadership group with us and the boks as well.

Herbst hasen't impressed me, I would drop him out of the 23.   



Posted By: Transvaal
Date Posted: 22-Nov-2019 at 9:00am
I'm sure that Jannie would start, and that Sadie will play off the bench once Jannie is tired.


Posted By: Leeubok
Date Posted: 22-Nov-2019 at 9:02am
Ross better step up and improve his game, he wasn't very good this year. Otherwise I'd play him off the bench


Posted By: Niela
Date Posted: 22-Nov-2019 at 9:12am
Originally posted by Transvaal Transvaal wrote:

I'm sure that Jannie would start, and that Sadie will play off the bench once Jannie is tired.

That would also make sense, but rugby is changing your bench has to be very strong, especially up front. Will be good to have some experience on the field in the 80th minute when the game is really won or lost 

That's why I would have Jannie come on later. 

Warner can also start and Ross can come on to close the game with the same logic. 


Posted By: LION@SEA
Date Posted: 22-Nov-2019 at 9:14am
Niela, that would be an awesome attacking back line, problem is the size of the guys you picked. You don't have one player that can take the ball up in contact. With rush defense being our biggest problem over the past few years you really do need a big 12 to keep the defense guessing. Defense will also be a big issue, hopefully Green and Andries will get the best out of each other. Things are starting to shape up very nicely.


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Posted By: LION@SEA
Date Posted: 22-Nov-2019 at 9:24am
Transvaal, not sure Sadie will sign with the Lions if he is not a starter. I can't see how he would not be a stater after last year, he was incredible in open play and don't think anyone enjoyed scrumming against him. Jannie scrum has always been good, but that is about it with the years of experience his brings as well. Also he can scrum both side, so that is so valuable of the bench.


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Hannes


Posted By: Transvaal
Date Posted: 22-Nov-2019 at 9:51am
Originally posted by LION@SEA LION@SEA wrote:

Transvaal, not sure Sadie will sign with the Lions if he is not a starter. I can't see how he would not be a stater after last year, he was incredible in open play and don't think anyone enjoyed scrumming against him. Jannie scrum has always been good, but that is about it with the years of experience his brings as well. Also he can scrum both side, so that is so valuable of the bench.

Well it sounds like Sadie did sign up to join us, it just hasn't been officially confirmed


Posted By: Lion4ever
Date Posted: 22-Nov-2019 at 10:10am
Will be really sad if WW finally has to retire due to injury. He is a true gentleman of the game, talented and a great leader. We will miss him on the field, but his presence in the coaching structures will be a huge factor for us.

I see the 2 potential teams mentioned here have the traditional 5-3 bench split. If we had to go with Rassie's  6-2 "bomb squad" version, how would that look?


Posted By: LION@SEA
Date Posted: 22-Nov-2019 at 10:26am
L4E, we can do it with a player like Hacjivah Dayimani. So either Stean Pienaar or Gianni Lombard will be replaced but I don't think Cash will do it as we are not an defensive side.

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Posted By: GoLions
Date Posted: 22-Nov-2019 at 10:38am
Originally posted by LION@SEA LION@SEA wrote:

L4E, we can do it with a player like Hacjivah Dayimani. So either Stean Pienaar or Gianni Lombard will be replaced but I don't think Cash will do it as we are not an defensive side.
From his media interviews I get the idea that Cash is going to change that. 

In our last season under Ackers our defence was a strength and we conceded the least number of tries in SR (27) but Swys changed that again to scoring more points as being most important.

Another thing, reading Cash's statements, is that he'll be looking to improve our tactical kicking. Not change us into a kicking team but being able to change our game up with an effective kicking game when needed


Posted By: PaBz0r
Date Posted: 22-Nov-2019 at 10:44am
We need balance, Cash is saying the right things, lets hope we can implement it on the field


Posted By: LION@SEA
Date Posted: 22-Nov-2019 at 10:51am
The only way you can change it is getting an experience defense coach, I don't see that happening. I do believe our defense will improve from last year (can't really get worst), but our game plan will not change. I see Dobson is talking about changing the game plan and following Rassie's idea. It will not work, you need 2 massive packs and WP does not have that. Also they don't have Nienaber, so it might be a long season even with the boks they have.


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Posted By: Leeubok
Date Posted: 22-Nov-2019 at 11:10am
Originally posted by LION@SEA LION@SEA wrote:

The only way you can change it is getting an experience defense coach, I don't see that happening. I do believe our defense will improve from last year (can't really get worst), but our game plan will not change. I see Dobson is talking about changing the game plan and following Rassie's idea. It will not work, you need 2 massive packs and WP does not have that. Also they don't have Nienaber, so it might be a long season even with the boks they have.

They have a large portion of the bok pack, don't they? Only EE and 1 other bok I can't remember now (might be De Allende) won't be available to them in 2020. So it should be fairly easy for them to continue the bok gameplan


Posted By: Leeubok
Date Posted: 22-Nov-2019 at 11:12am
Originally posted by PaBz0r PaBz0r wrote:

We need balance, Cash is saying the right things, lets hope we can implement it on the field

Stem, ek hou daarvan dat hy nie op net 1 aspek van die spel fokus nie. Dit het my grensloos geirriteer as Swys altyd net van driee druk gepraat het


Posted By: emiel1
Date Posted: 22-Nov-2019 at 11:15am
Glad to hear that management realize the importance of improving defense as well as tactical kicking. Other aspects that need urgent attention is ball retention as well as our mauling technique by our forwards. Think Whitely will help guide our forwards in these areas.


Posted By: Leeubok
Date Posted: 22-Nov-2019 at 11:17am
Ek wonder of WW nie dalk die rol van defence coach sal vul nie? Hy was altyd 'n uitstekende verdediger en het gereeld die meeste duikslae per wedstryd gemaak. Beteken seker nie hy sal automaties n goeie coach maak nie, maar ek wonder net in watter ander posisie hul hom sal plaas?


Posted By: Transvaal
Date Posted: 22-Nov-2019 at 11:26am
Wel wat ek gehoor het is dat hy die voorspeler afrigter gaan wees


Posted By: GoLions
Date Posted: 22-Nov-2019 at 11:34am
Originally posted by Leeubok Leeubok wrote:

Originally posted by LION@SEA LION@SEA wrote:

The only way you can change it is getting an experience defense coach, I don't see that happening. I do believe our defense will improve from last year (can't really get worst), but our game plan will not change. I see Dobson is talking about changing the game plan and following Rassie's idea. It will not work, you need 2 massive packs and WP does not have that. Also they don't have Nienaber, so it might be a long season even with the boks they have.

They have a large portion of the bok pack, don't they? Only EE and 1 other bok I can't remember now (might be De Allende) won't be available to them in 2020. So it should be fairly easy for them to continue the bok gameplan
They don't have a Bok second row and their lineouts have been poor for a number of seasons already. The experiment to convert PSdT to a #5 didn't work and I'm glad to see that it has been dumped.

The Bok plan worked with two interchangeable tight 5 packs. No SA team has that


Posted By: Lion4ever
Date Posted: 22-Nov-2019 at 11:47am
That's what I have heard as well, with Lemmer looking after the breakdowns. 

Cash has been making the right noises regarding a more balanced approach. I always maintain that a team should build scoreboard pressure early on. Take the points on offer, build a 14+ points lead to make sure the game is in the bag first before going for the bonus point try. With the current bonus point system, defence should be very important, to prevent the opposition from scoring a try that could rob you of a bonus point, and potentially a home play off game.


Posted By: Leeubok
Date Posted: 22-Nov-2019 at 11:48am
Originally posted by Transvaal Transvaal wrote:

Wel wat ek gehoor het is dat hy die voorspeler afrigter gaan wees

En Lemmer? Het ek iets gemis of wat doen hy dan?


Posted By: Leeubok
Date Posted: 22-Nov-2019 at 11:52am
Originally posted by GoLions GoLions wrote:

Originally posted by Leeubok Leeubok wrote:

Originally posted by LION@SEA LION@SEA wrote:

The only way you can change it is getting an experience defense coach, I don't see that happening. I do believe our defense will improve from last year (can't really get worst), but our game plan will not change. I see Dobson is talking about changing the game plan and following Rassie's idea. It will not work, you need 2 massive packs and WP does not have that. Also they don't have Nienaber, so it might be a long season even with the boks they have.

They have a large portion of the bok pack, don't they? Only EE and 1 other bok I can't remember now (might be De Allende) won't be available to them in 2020. So it should be fairly easy for them to continue the bok gameplan
They don't have a Bok second row and their lineouts have been poor for a number of seasons already. The experiment to convert PSdT to a #5 didn't work and I'm glad to see that it has been dumped.

The Bok plan worked with two interchangeable tight 5 packs. No SA team has that

Wasn't PSDT originally a 5, converted to a 7?

Well, they still have Bongi (bok starter), Malherbe (starter), Kitshoff?, PSDT (world player of the year), Kolisi (bok captain). Elstadst's name was bandied about a lot before the WC as a player on standby. On paper they'll have one of the best packs in the competition. Lets see how that works out for them.




Posted By: GoLions
Date Posted: 22-Nov-2019 at 11:56am
Originally posted by Leeubok Leeubok wrote:

Wasn't PSDT originally a 5, converted to a 7?

Well, they still have Bongi (bok starter), Malherbe (starter), Kitshoff?, PSDT (world player of the year), Kolisi (bok captain). Elstadst's name was bandied about a lot before the WC as a player on standby. On paper they'll have one of the best packs in the competition. Lets see how that works out for them.
He was a 7 as a junior. The move to 5 started when he moved to the Sharks afaik. HM's idea?


Posted By: emiel1
Date Posted: 22-Nov-2019 at 12:00pm
Moving Lemmer to concentrate on rucks would be a dumb move in my opinion.  He (Lemmer) has done a solid job with our scrums the past two seasons, but has been average to poor in improving the forwards rucks and mauls  thus far. Warren has the cerebral qualities to improve the forwards all round play.


Posted By: Transvaal
Date Posted: 22-Nov-2019 at 12:06pm
Originally posted by Leeubok Leeubok wrote:

Originally posted by Transvaal Transvaal wrote:

Wel wat ek gehoor het is dat hy die voorspeler afrigter gaan wees

En Lemmer? Het ek iets gemis of wat doen hy dan?

Lemmer word dan die afbreekpunt afrigter (breakdowns). Ek dink Lemmer en Redelinghuys het seker saam na ons skrums gekyk en sal seker steeds daarmee voortgaan?


Posted By: Leeubok
Date Posted: 22-Nov-2019 at 12:42pm
Originally posted by GoLions GoLions wrote:

Originally posted by Leeubok Leeubok wrote:

Wasn't PSDT originally a 5, converted to a 7?

Well, they still have Bongi (bok starter), Malherbe (starter), Kitshoff?, PSDT (world player of the year), Kolisi (bok captain). Elstadst's name was bandied about a lot before the WC as a player on standby. On paper they'll have one of the best packs in the competition. Lets see how that works out for them.
He was a 7 as a junior. The move to 5 started when he moved to the Sharks afaik. HM's idea?

Oh ok. I just remembered him playing 5 with EE mostly, and moving to flank every now and again. 




Posted By: Leeubok
Date Posted: 22-Nov-2019 at 12:43pm
Dit sal nice wees as die unie die volle afrigting struktuur en spelers squad kan aankondig voor die einde van die jaar. 


Posted By: Niela
Date Posted: 23-Nov-2019 at 10:37am
Originally posted by Transvaal Transvaal wrote:

Originally posted by Leeubok Leeubok wrote:

Originally posted by Transvaal Transvaal wrote:

Wel wat ek gehoor het is dat hy die voorspeler afrigter gaan wees

En Lemmer? Het ek iets gemis of wat doen hy dan?

Lemmer word dan die afbreekpunt afrigter (breakdowns). Ek dink Lemmer en Redelinghuys het seker saam na ons skrums gekyk en sal seker steeds daarmee voortgaan?

That could be a case of too many chefs, having a forwards coach, break down coach and scrum coach. 

I would use Waza as a Defense coach rather. But it looks like the call is already made. 

Lemmer is a wrestler , he understands how to use your body weight to move opponents of the ball, but that isn’t a full time job , doesn’t seem economically viable to me 



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