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Bok defence coach Nienaber may help out at Lions

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Topic: Bok defence coach Nienaber may help out at Lions
Posted By: Transvaal
Subject: Bok defence coach Nienaber may help out at Lions
Date Posted: 24-Apr-2019 at 10:15am
https://www.iol.co.za/sport/rugby/super-rugby/bok-defence-coach-nienaber-may-help-out-at-lions-21780097" rel="nofollow - https://www.iol.co.za/sport/rugby/super-rugby/bok-defence-coach-nienaber-may-help-out-at-lions-21780097

Facing the Crusaders away could not have come at a more trying time for the Lions.

The teams meet in Christchurch in a repeat of the last two Super Rugby finals – both won by the Crusaders – with all sorts of issues, on and off the field, surrounding the Joburg side.

While they won last time out, in Hamilton against the Chiefs last Friday to end a two-match losing run, they did so against a backdrop of some turmoil, with head coach Swys de Bruin having left the squad on the eve of the match to return to South Africa.

Also, defence coach Joey Mongalo has returned home from tour after he was convicted and sentenced in a Sydney court for indecent assault, stemming from an incident in a hotel last year.

What the departure from New Zealand of the team’s two most senior coaches has done is leave the team with regular conditioning coach Ivan van Rooyen in charge.

He will be assisted, in the main, by De Bruin’s son Neil, who has been the team’s attack coach for the last two seasons, and forwards boss Philip Lemmer.

At this stage, it is not known when De Bruin will return to coach the side, if at all.

He only recently signed a contract extension with the Lions, which is supposed to keep him in charge for 2020 and 2021.

He is also expected to join up with the Springboks management team after the Super Rugby competition and work alongside head coach Rassie Erasmus as the team’s attack coach at the World Cup.

How his “medical condition” could affect this role is uncertain.

It has, meanwhile, been learned that in Mongalo’s absence, Springbok defence guru Jacques Nienaber could assist the Lions when they return to Super Rugby action in two weeks’ time.

They have a bye next week after returning from the Crusaders match this weekend.



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Posted By: Leeubok
Date Posted: 24-Apr-2019 at 10:26am
Dit sal awesome wees as Nienaber kan uithelp met verdediging! Hy is een van die bestes as dit daarby kom, so die hele insident met Joey was dalk 'n bedekte seen..


Posted By: Transvaal
Date Posted: 24-Apr-2019 at 10:28am
Stem


Posted By: TunaLion
Date Posted: 24-Apr-2019 at 10:51am
Met Nienaber kan ons dalk nog die hele kompetisie wen. Hy is verskriklik goed!

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Go LIONS!!!!!


Posted By: Transvaal
Date Posted: 24-Apr-2019 at 10:53am
Originally posted by TunaLion TunaLion wrote:

Met Nienaber kan ons dalk nog die hele kompetisie wen. Hy is verskriklik goed!

Watter posisie speel hy? Grap net


Posted By: PaBz0r
Date Posted: 24-Apr-2019 at 11:12am
Hoop maar die ouens het hart om die tackles te maak.. Dit is dit grootste probleem. Ouens wat staan en wag en hoop hy hoef nie die tackle te maak nie moet einde kry. 






Posted By: PaBz0r
Date Posted: 24-Apr-2019 at 11:13am
Mahuza het rerig wel verbeter in daai opsig. Hoop maar Ruan doen dieselfde, anders gaan dit n lang dag wees agter. 


Posted By: Lion4ever
Date Posted: 24-Apr-2019 at 11:33am
50% of defence is trust in the system. Our boys can tackle. I have seen the guys defend the try line as if their lives depended on it. But if that system does not inspire trust, the guys will be uncertain and can result in line breaks. Will be good if Nienaber does help. He will hopefully be able to tweak the systems to help the boys.


Posted By: Attie Karate
Date Posted: 24-Apr-2019 at 12:11pm
Originally posted by TunaLion TunaLion wrote:

Met Nienaber kan ons dalk nog die hele kompetisie wen. Hy is verskriklik goed!
Flokit dis goeie nuus!


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Up the Vaal!


Posted By: WitBoer
Date Posted: 24-Apr-2019 at 12:36pm
Originally posted by TunaLion TunaLion wrote:

Met Nienaber kan ons dalk nog die hele kompetisie wen. Hy is verskriklik goed!
Ons kan dalk beter doen, maar om die kompetisie te wen het ons bietjie meer nodig as net 'n goeie verdedigings patroon...


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"Believe nothing, No matter where you read it, Or who has said it, Not even if I have said it, Unless it agrees with your own reason And your own common sense" - Buddha


Posted By: TunaLion
Date Posted: 24-Apr-2019 at 12:52pm
Originally posted by WitBoer WitBoer wrote:

Originally posted by TunaLion TunaLion wrote:

Met Nienaber kan ons dalk nog die hele kompetisie wen. Hy is verskriklik goed!
Ons kan dalk beter doen, maar om die kompetisie te wen het ons bietjie meer nodig as net 'n goeie verdedigings patroon...


Lol, iemand is verskriklik ernstig vandag... Dit was obviously n oordrywing, maar hy is baie goed.


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Go LIONS!!!!!


Posted By: Lion4ever
Date Posted: 24-Apr-2019 at 1:18pm
Originally posted by WitBoer WitBoer wrote:

Originally posted by TunaLion TunaLion wrote:

Met Nienaber kan ons dalk nog die hele kompetisie wen. Hy is verskriklik goed!
Ons kan dalk beter doen, maar om die kompetisie te wen het ons bietjie meer nodig as net 'n goeie verdedigings patroon...
Great teams have very good defence. Not necessarily the best. In 2016 and 2017, we had excellent attack and good defence. Last year, we still had a good attack, but our defence let us down. Many top coaches believe in getting the defence right first, and then develop the attacking strategies.


Posted By: WitBoer
Date Posted: 24-Apr-2019 at 1:44pm
Originally posted by Lion4ever Lion4ever wrote:

Originally posted by WitBoer WitBoer wrote:

Originally posted by TunaLion TunaLion wrote:

Met Nienaber kan ons dalk nog die hele kompetisie wen. Hy is verskriklik goed!
Ons kan dalk beter doen, maar om die kompetisie te wen het ons bietjie meer nodig as net 'n goeie verdedigings patroon...
Great teams have very good defence. Not necessarily the best. In 2016 and 2017, we had excellent attack and good defence. Last year, we still had a good attack, but our defence let us down. Many top coaches believe in getting the defence right first, and then develop the attacking strategies.
I know of a Super Rugby team who had the best defensive system in the history of the competition and failed to win the trophy... I think it was 2010 or 2011... 
a Brilliant defense alone will not win you any trophies.


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"Believe nothing, No matter where you read it, Or who has said it, Not even if I have said it, Unless it agrees with your own reason And your own common sense" - Buddha


Posted By: WitBoer
Date Posted: 24-Apr-2019 at 1:45pm
Originally posted by TunaLion TunaLion wrote:

Originally posted by WitBoer WitBoer wrote:

Originally posted by TunaLion TunaLion wrote:

Met Nienaber kan ons dalk nog die hele kompetisie wen. Hy is verskriklik goed!
Ons kan dalk beter doen, maar om die kompetisie te wen het ons bietjie meer nodig as net 'n goeie verdedigings patroon...


Lol, iemand is verskriklik ernstig vandag... Dit was obviously n oordrywing, maar hy is baie goed.
OuchOuch


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"Believe nothing, No matter where you read it, Or who has said it, Not even if I have said it, Unless it agrees with your own reason And your own common sense" - Buddha


Posted By: emiel1
Date Posted: 24-Apr-2019 at 2:36pm
Terloops, weet iemand hoe lank JP Ferreira se kontrak met Munster is ? 


Posted By: Transvaal
Date Posted: 24-Apr-2019 at 2:40pm
Originally posted by emiel1 emiel1 wrote:

Terloops, weet iemand hoe lank JP Ferreira se kontrak met Munster is ? 

https://munsterrugby.ie/2017/12/14/jp-ferreira-confirmed-defence-coach/" rel="nofollow - https://munsterrugby.ie/2017/12/14/jp-ferreira-confirmed-defence-coach/

Munster Rugby and the IRFU can confirm that JP Ferreira will join the province as Defence Coach having signed a contract until June 2020.


Posted By: emiel1
Date Posted: 24-Apr-2019 at 2:44pm
Thanks Transvaal


Posted By: Attie Karate
Date Posted: 24-Apr-2019 at 3:05pm
Originally posted by WitBoer WitBoer wrote:

Originally posted by TunaLion TunaLion wrote:

Originally posted by WitBoer WitBoer wrote:

Originally posted by TunaLion TunaLion wrote:

Met Nienaber kan ons dalk nog die hele kompetisie wen. Hy is verskriklik goed!
Ons kan dalk beter doen, maar om die kompetisie te wen het ons bietjie meer nodig as net 'n goeie verdedigings patroon...


Lol, iemand is verskriklik ernstig vandag... Dit was obviously n oordrywing, maar hy is baie goed.
OuchOuch

Ag nee ma Tuna, jy weet mos jy gaan mense ontstel as jy nie jou sinne eindig met LOL, hehehe of :) nie. LOLWinkTongue


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Up the Vaal!


Posted By: Attie Karate
Date Posted: 24-Apr-2019 at 3:05pm
Originally posted by WitBoer WitBoer wrote:

Originally posted by Lion4ever Lion4ever wrote:

Originally posted by WitBoer WitBoer wrote:

Originally posted by TunaLion TunaLion wrote:

Met Nienaber kan ons dalk nog die hele kompetisie wen. Hy is verskriklik goed!
Ons kan dalk beter doen, maar om die kompetisie te wen het ons bietjie meer nodig as net 'n goeie verdedigings patroon...
Great teams have very good defence. Not necessarily the best. In 2016 and 2017, we had excellent attack and good defence. Last year, we still had a good attack, but our defence let us down. Many top coaches believe in getting the defence right first, and then develop the attacking strategies.
I know of a Super Rugby team who had the best defensive system in the history of the competition and failed to win the trophy... I think it was 2010 or 2011... 
a Brilliant defense alone will not win you any trophies.

Dit was juis Nienaber wat daai puik verdediging gedoen het, as ek reg kan onthou. Maar hy was die enigste een wie sy werk gedoen het.


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Up the Vaal!


Posted By: Lion4ever
Date Posted: 24-Apr-2019 at 3:29pm
Originally posted by WitBoer WitBoer wrote:

Originally posted by Lion4ever Lion4ever wrote:

Originally posted by WitBoer WitBoer wrote:

Originally posted by TunaLion TunaLion wrote:

Met Nienaber kan ons dalk nog die hele kompetisie wen. Hy is verskriklik goed!
Ons kan dalk beter doen, maar om die kompetisie te wen het ons bietjie meer nodig as net 'n goeie verdedigings patroon...
Great teams have very good defence. Not necessarily the best. In 2016 and 2017, we had excellent attack and good defence. Last year, we still had a good attack, but our defence let us down. Many top coaches believe in getting the defence right first, and then develop the attacking strategies.
I know of a Super Rugby team who had the best defensive system in the history of the competition and failed to win the trophy... I think it was 2010 or 2011... 
a Brilliant defense alone will not win you any trophies.
I know who you are talking about. And that team still doesn't know how to score tries. The best teams combine defence and attack very well. Having said that, teams that score tries also do very well, but as we saw last year, you can struggle if you also leak tries.


Posted By: WitBoer
Date Posted: 24-Apr-2019 at 3:33pm
We missed our opportunity in 2017, we had a great attack and an awesome defense, home final and one of our players made a poor decision and it cost us the trophy... I dont think we will ever be in a better position to win the competition than 2017.

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"Believe nothing, No matter where you read it, Or who has said it, Not even if I have said it, Unless it agrees with your own reason And your own common sense" - Buddha


Posted By: Transvaal
Date Posted: 24-Apr-2019 at 5:20pm
Originally posted by WitBoer WitBoer wrote:

We missed our opportunity in 2017, we had a great attack and an awesome defense, home final and one of our players made a poor decision and it cost us the trophy... I dont think we will ever be in a better position to win the competition than 2017.

two of our players...die ou wat die up and under geskop het is vir my eintlik die skuldige een want dis swak rugby


Posted By: valie
Date Posted: 24-Apr-2019 at 8:32pm
Wat natuurlik enige verdedigings sisteem baie onder druk sit, is as die span wat op die aanval is die bal bly verloor in kontak. 
In 2017 het ons die meeste turnovers gemaak, en die minste afgestaan, wat natuurlik n baie groot rol gespeel het in ons defensive stats. 
Verlede jaar het ons in sekere wedstryde min omkeer besit afgestaan, en in daai games het ons minder driee ook afgestaan.
Ja, van die driee wat ons afgestaan het, was bloot swak verdediging, hetsy deur die speler, of n flaw in die sisteem. (Gewoonlik le die fout by n speler wat of nie in posisie is nie, of die bal ipv die opponente se aanvals struktuur dophou).
Ons het egter in die laaste 2 seisoene hordes bal verloor wanneer ons op die aanval is, hetsy deur spelers wat geisoleer word en van die bal beroof word, of deur hanteerfoute, en meeste van daardie omkeerbesit het uitgeloop op driee teen ons. Dis baie moeilik om  teenaanvalle te verdedig as jy op die aanval was en die verdedigings lyne is nie in plek nie.
Hoewel dit nie verkeerd is om ons verdediging te wil opskerp nie, gaan ons moet sorg dat ons nie balle in kontak verloor nie.


Posted By: emiel1
Date Posted: 24-Apr-2019 at 10:31pm
D's twee aspekte waar die Saders uitmunt. Wanneer hulle in besit van die bal is, gaan dit 'n lang tyd wees voor jy hom weer kry. En wanneer jy die bal het, is hulle verdediging so effektief, dat teenstanders of hanteer foute maak onder druk, of hulle verloor geduld en probeer tik skoppies of hangskoppies waar besit weer omgekeer word.


Posted By: Attie Karate
Date Posted: 25-Apr-2019 at 11:20am
Originally posted by valie valie wrote:

Wat natuurlik enige verdedigings sisteem baie onder druk sit, is as die span wat op die aanval is die bal bly verloor in kontak. 
In 2017 het ons die meeste turnovers gemaak, en die minste afgestaan, wat natuurlik n baie groot rol gespeel het in ons defensive stats. 
Verlede jaar het ons in sekere wedstryde min omkeer besit afgestaan, en in daai games het ons minder driee ook afgestaan.
Ja, van die driee wat ons afgestaan het, was bloot swak verdediging, hetsy deur die speler, of n flaw in die sisteem. (Gewoonlik le die fout by n speler wat of nie in posisie is nie, of die bal ipv die opponente se aanvals struktuur dophou).
Ons het egter in die laaste 2 seisoene hordes bal verloor wanneer ons op die aanval is, hetsy deur spelers wat geisoleer word en van die bal beroof word, of deur hanteerfoute, en meeste van daardie omkeerbesit het uitgeloop op driee teen ons. Dis baie moeilik om  teenaanvalle te verdedig as jy op die aanval was en die verdedigings lyne is nie in plek nie.
Hoewel dit nie verkeerd is om ons verdediging te wil opskerp nie, gaan ons moet sorg dat ons nie balle in kontak verloor nie.


Baie waar Valla, veral dat ons spelers so geisoleerd raak. Ek kan dit net nie verstaan nie. Is dit dat daai ou wat die bal ontvang net hou by die spelpatroon nie, of moes hy eintlik nooit die bal gekry het nie of wat?


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Up the Vaal!



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