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@ Niela, I think our junior teams have been ok the last few years. Making finals and producing good players.

But you are correct with the rest of the points. They are not easy to solve. My idea would be to cut senior players, especially in areas where we are over stocked - wing, centre, scrumhalf, flank and prop to greatly reduce the wage budget. Then promote the juniors which are on lower wages and with a clear pathway to senior rugby, top juniors will pick us. Then use the money saved on 2 elite players (probably a lock and hooker) and an elite coaching team.
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Originally posted by OomPB OomPB wrote:

Dok Craven het voorspel dat geld rugby sal vernietig.

Maar hy het nie die detail van Covid-19 geweet nie.

I hope this was more tongue in cheek than fact. 

Money makes the world go round. We need to run the union like a business , and a business that doesn’t perform results in “groot koppe” getting axed.

Altman is an astute business man , how can he sit on the fence and allow his investment to fall apart in front of his eyes ?? 

I think he wrote off the money he put in (in his mind) and now he just wants to “breakeven” or run lean. 

We won’t get any further growth with that mindset. 

Another huge issue is our varsity cup teams. Don’t underestimate this.

When I was at UJ , we had real stars , most made it to the lions senior team and later became boks. From 2015 to 2018 , when we did exceptionally well, it was off the back of a really strong UJ team that dominated between 2009 - 20014 (although they never won the varsity cup, they had real talent and great systems). 

I don’t see us making it , we have nothing going for us (compared to bulls, wp, sharks) 
- Bad varsity cup teams (except the sharks that have nobody)
- Not winning junior rugby comps
- Having far less funding than
- Not having real quality springboks on our books
- Not having international level coaches in the coaching boks.
- Weak management teams
- Competitively weak schoolboy rugby
- Being in JHB CBD (Allure of Pretoria and Cape Town)


It’s not a simple problem to solve. But it doesn’t look like we are trying to address any of the real strategic issues. 

 
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Originally posted by Attie Karate Attie Karate wrote:

Originally posted by PaBz0r PaBz0r wrote:

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Ag more wen ons..  dan is alles vergete

As ons die volgende 4 wedstryde wen, dan sal ek my bek hou en baie bly wees. En om verskoning vra by almal- bestuur, afrigters en spelers.

Maar...

Darem hoef jy nie omverskoning te vra nie..
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Originally posted by PaBz0r PaBz0r wrote:

Sluit eerder die deure, die Bulle het genoeg ex Leeus dat ek maar hulle kan ondersteun. 

Of miskien sal die Bulle die Leeus koop, dan het ons nie meer probleme nie. 


Ek voel ook half so... Gatvol vir die verskoning en die patetiese spel op die veld. Ek het geweet die Griquas gaan ons klop... Cheetahs sal ons 10 teen een ook klop... Ons moet maar vrede maak met die feit dat die bestuur geen ambisie het nie en dat ons maar die swakste Franchise gaan wees vir die nabye toekoms... 
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Sluit eerder die deure, die Bulle het genoeg ex Leeus dat ek maar hulle kan ondersteun. 

Of miskien sal die Bulle die Leeus koop, dan het ons nie meer probleme nie. 




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Ek se weer: Maybe time to "Cash" out
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Ek dink ook eerlikwaar ons kannie so aanhou voortploeter nie. Ons gaan 'n blerrie verleentheid wees in die Pro14. Die unie moet nou kyk na 'n nuwe hoof afrigter en talent scout. As hulle geld kort, laat gaan 'n paar spelers wat duidelik nie op hierdie vlak hoort nie. 
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So iemand opgemerk het …. Hulle is n verleentheid … ek begin ook maar dink dit is beter om die Cheetahs te laat speel in die Pro kompitisie
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We need a new coach. It's actually shocking.
The union is starting to mismanage itself, like they did during the dark days of Lions rugby.
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Na die nuutste verloor teen Griquas het ek gou weer gaan kyk na ons results hierdie jaar:


13 wedstryde, 5 gewen en 8 verloor. 2 van daai wenne was teen OP en Pumas. En dan 1 keer teen sharks, bulls en wp elk.

Verlore sluit in 1 teen pumas en griquas elk. 

Dit is eenvoudig nie goed genoeg nie. Cash is nou al van 2018 af die hoof afrigter, mens sou dink hy en die span sou met tyd verbeter
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Dok Craven het voorspel dat geld rugby sal vernietig.

Maar hy het nie die detail van Covid-19 geweet nie.
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Dinge lyk bietjie sleg..
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how can we expect to win when we have no “spine” .

Yet we keep on buying wings. 

We can blame cash (and rightly so), but management need to take responsibility as well. What is the plan ? What brand do we want to play ? What is our recruitment and succession planning ? 
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Originally posted by PaBz0r PaBz0r wrote:

😂😂

Ag more wen ons..  dan is alles vergete

As ons die volgende 4 wedstryde wen, dan sal ek my bek hou en baie bly wees. En om verskoning vra by almal- bestuur, afrigters en spelers.

Maar...
Up the Vaal!
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😂😂

Ag more wen ons..  dan is alles vergete
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Originally posted by valie valie wrote:

Ek neem aan elkeen moet ook sy eie tyre bring om te brand? O f sal mens daar kan koop? LOL

Haal sommer net van karre af wat daar gepark is Tongue
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Ek neem aan elkeen moet ook sy eie tyre bring om te brand? O f sal mens daar kan koop? LOL
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Kom net gewapend, anders word ons dalk beroof LOL
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Originally posted by WitBoer WitBoer wrote:

https://ewn.co.za/2021/05/07/kaizer-chiefs-fans-to-protest-against-how-the-club-is-being-run
Ek sien Kaizer Chiefs se ondersteuners staak vandag... Miskien moet ons Leeu ondersteuners ook bietjie Ellispark toe stap!LOL
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Ek sien Kaizer Chiefs se ondersteuners staak vandag... Miskien moet ons Leeu ondersteuners ook bietjie Ellispark toe stap!LOL
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“We played against a [Sharks] team featuring six Springboks,” the coach said, adding: “Several players in our team are in their first season of senior rugby." 

Hierdie is vir my 'n probleem. Om "te bou" met 'n jong span is 'n pipe dream. Die oomblik wat jong spelers begin talent wys en jou span gel, dan raap ander spanne hulle op. In my opinie moet jy 'n goeie mix he van jong spelers en meer ervare spelers, met 'n paar bokke of wereldklas spelers inbetween
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Originally posted by Red_Machine Red_Machine wrote:

Well said
Agreed
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“I thought we were good enough to win,” the embattled coach said, adding: “We had enough opportunities. That adds to the frustration.”

The coach felt “composure at vital stages” is what is still lacking and cutting out the “costly errors”.

Van Rooyen continued to punt the young players they are bringing through, suggesting the team will continue to improve as they gain experience.

“We played against a [Sharks] team featuring six Springboks,” the coach said, adding: “Several players in our team are in their first season of senior rugby.

“It is an amazing experience for them and now they realise what it takes to play at this level. We are a very young group and every match is invaluable for the team.

“I feel we are improving significantly every week.”
 


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I honestly hope that the powers that be will intervene and make the changes necessary to ensure the Lions become competitive again. 
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