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   <title><![CDATA[Lions vs Stormers :   Niela wrote:  PaBz0r wrote: ...]]></title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.lionsworld.co.za/forumnew/member_profile.asp?PF=90">Vaal Leeu 3</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 9329<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 14-Feb-2022 at 6:47pm<br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><img src="forum_images/quote_box.png" title="Originally posted by Niela" alt="Originally posted by Niela" style="vertical-align: text-bottom;" /> <strong>Niela wrote:</strong><br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><img src="forum_images/quote_box.png" title="Originally posted by PaBz0r" alt="Originally posted by PaBz0r" style="vertical-align: text-bottom;" /> <strong>PaBz0r wrote:</strong><br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><img src="forum_images/quote_box.png" title="Originally posted by Red_Machine" alt="Originally posted by Red_Machine" style="vertical-align: text-bottom;" /> <strong>Red_Machine wrote:</strong><br /><br />What 2013 also did for us was provide the opportunity to clean house and get rid of the "dead wood" I belong another such clean out is required.</td></tr></table><div><br></div><div>This should of happened when Ackers left, but we were riding a high and now we are here today. Swys leaving was unplanned and resulted in somebody being promoted within the structures, to ease things, but come on, there is something that keeps on biting who ever steps into the role. We need to start clearing from the top and getting the right people in place. If we don't, we can forget about it going better ever again.&nbsp;</div><div><br></div><div>Look at the Bulls, they rode the high from HM, then Frans took over with the same core, continues winning and eventually he fell out of the bus, poor management, contracting, broederbond etc.&nbsp; Step in Nollis/Pine/Mitchell, same story. Change management, got house in order, got sponsors, got coaches and now players also.</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div></td></tr></table><div><br></div><div>Cash was always just n temporary thing , to help assist with Swys dealing with his personal issues.&nbsp;</div><div><br></div><div>I still think we would have done (much) better if Swys had stayed.&nbsp;</div><div><br></div><div>But we threw out the baby , the bath water and the bath.&nbsp;</div><div><br></div><div>I can only wonder how Altmann can allow this ,his investment must be worthless and clearly he isn’t going to throw more money in.&nbsp;</div><div><br></div><div>We need proper financial backing , or we won’t compete.&nbsp;</div><div><br></div><div>Hence my comment on SA rugby swapping us for the cheetahs , commercially it just feels more viable.</div><div><br></div><div>Point is , if we don’t change things with haste , we are in deeeeeeep sh!t</div></td></tr></table><div><br></div><div>We are alredy in deeeeeeep sh.. my friend, hence no one, not even Allers is throwing in more money. Much better ways to part with your money...</div><span style="font-size:10px"><br /><br />Edited by Vaal Leeu 3 - 14-Feb-2022 at 6:47pm</span>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.lionsworld.co.za/forumnew/member_profile.asp?PF=167">Niela</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 9329<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 14-Feb-2022 at 6:18pm<br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><img src="forum_images/quote_box.png" title="Originally posted by PaBz0r" alt="Originally posted by PaBz0r" style="vertical-align: text-bottom;" /> <strong>PaBz0r wrote:</strong><br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><img src="forum_images/quote_box.png" title="Originally posted by Red_Machine" alt="Originally posted by Red_Machine" style="vertical-align: text-bottom;" /> <strong>Red_Machine wrote:</strong><br /><br />What 2013 also did for us was provide the opportunity to clean house and get rid of the "dead wood" I belong another such clean out is required.</td></tr></table><div><br></div><div>This should of happened when Ackers left, but we were riding a high and now we are here today. Swys leaving was unplanned and resulted in somebody being promoted within the structures, to ease things, but come on, there is something that keeps on biting who ever steps into the role. We need to start clearing from the top and getting the right people in place. If we don't, we can forget about it going better ever again.&nbsp;</div><div><br></div><div>Look at the Bulls, they rode the high from HM, then Frans took over with the same core, continues winning and eventually he fell out of the bus, poor management, contracting, broederbond etc.&nbsp; Step in Nollis/Pine/Mitchell, same story. Change management, got house in order, got sponsors, got coaches and now players also.</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div></td></tr></table><div><br></div><div>Cash was always just n temporary thing , to help assist with Swys dealing with his personal issues.&nbsp;</div><div><br></div><div>I still think we would have done (much) better if Swys had stayed.&nbsp;</div><div><br></div><div>But we threw out the baby , the bath water and the bath.&nbsp;</div><div><br></div><div>I can only wonder how Altmann can allow this ,his investment must be worthless and clearly he isn’t going to throw more money in.&nbsp;</div><div><br></div><div>We need proper financial backing , or we won’t compete.&nbsp;</div><div><br></div><div>Hence my comment on SA rugby swapping us for the cheetahs , commercially it just feels more viable.</div><div><br></div><div>Point is , if we don’t change things with haste , we are in deeeeeeep sh!t</div>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.lionsworld.co.za/forumnew/member_profile.asp?PF=20">PaBz0r</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 9329<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 14-Feb-2022 at 11:47am<br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><img src="forum_images/quote_box.png" title="Originally posted by Red_Machine" alt="Originally posted by Red_Machine" style="vertical-align: text-bottom;" /> <strong>Red_Machine wrote:</strong><br /><br />What 2013 also did for us was provide the opportunity to clean house and get rid of the "dead wood" I belong another such clean out is required.</td></tr></table><div><br></div><div>This should of happened when Ackers left, but we were riding a high and now we are here today. Swys leaving was unplanned and resulted in somebody being promoted within the structures, to ease things, but come on, there is something that keeps on biting who ever steps into the role. We need to start clearing from the top and getting the right people in place. If we don't, we can forget about it going better ever again.&nbsp;</div><div><br></div><div>Look at the Bulls, they rode the high from HM, then Frans took over with the same core, continues winning and eventually he fell out of the bus, poor management, contracting, broederbond etc.&nbsp; Step in Nollis/Pine/Mitchell, same story. Change management, got house in order, got sponsors, got coaches and now players also.</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.lionsworld.co.za/forumnew/member_profile.asp?PF=128">Red_Machine</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 9329<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 14-Feb-2022 at 8:10am<br /><br />What 2013 also did for us was provide the opportunity to clean house and get rid of the "dead wood" I belong another such clean out is required.<span style="font-size:10px"><br /><br />Edited by Red_Machine - 14-Feb-2022 at 8:14am</span>]]>
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   <title><![CDATA[Lions vs Stormers :   TunaLion wrote:  Vaal Leeu...]]></title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.lionsworld.co.za/forumnew/member_profile.asp?PF=128">Red_Machine</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 9329<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 14-Feb-2022 at 8:10am<br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><img src="forum_images/quote_box.png" title="Originally posted by TunaLion" alt="Originally posted by TunaLion" style="vertical-align: text-bottom;" /> <strong>TunaLion wrote:</strong><br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><img src="forum_images/quote_box.png" title="Originally posted by Vaal Leeu 3" alt="Originally posted by Vaal Leeu 3" style="vertical-align: text-bottom;" /> <strong>Vaal Leeu 3 wrote:</strong><br /><br />Valid points yes, but maybe a change is what is needed, like when Mitchell left...<div>&nbsp;Maybe (actually) I am clutching at straws...</div><div></td></tr></table> <br></div><div><br></div><div>A change is definitely needed and yes, probably anyone with some head coaching experience will do better than Cash. Ackerman was a fluke, let's face it. Maybe Fourie will do well, but why leave the future of our union up to a gamble? Let's get someone in with head coaching experience who has proven to do well. There aren't probably that many international/world class quality coaches willing to come to the GLRU (let's be honest), but then look at what we can get. <br></div><div><br></div><div>Like Niela said Stonehouse &amp; Pretorius are two options. Maybe beg Swys or Johan Ackerman to come back and offer them one hell of a paycheck. Dave Wessels is still not employed (as far as I am aware). Heck, even go to SARU and beg them to assist with some coaches from their high performance unit. Get some consultants in like Brendan Venter, etc etc. <br></div><div><br></div><div>But all our management does is sit back and accept their pay, while not even seeming like they care about what is going on.<br></div></td></tr></table>I believe Stonehouse is our answer, I have asking for a few years now why has the GLRU not approached him... if it turns out that he has been approached but declined the job then we have a much much bigger problem than any of us realize, because if the headcoach of a "small" union like the Pumas is not interested in stepping up to fill the role at what is supposed to be one of the big "flagship" unions then we are dead and waiting to be buried&nbsp;<span style="font-size:10px"><br /><br />Edited by Red_Machine - 14-Feb-2022 at 8:12am</span>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.lionsworld.co.za/forumnew/member_profile.asp?PF=23">TunaLion</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 9329<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 13-Feb-2022 at 6:44pm<br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><img src="forum_images/quote_box.png" title="Originally posted by Vaal Leeu 3" alt="Originally posted by Vaal Leeu 3" style="vertical-align: text-bottom;" /> <strong>Vaal Leeu 3 wrote:</strong><br /><br />Valid points yes, but maybe a change is what is needed, like when Mitchell left...<div>&nbsp;Maybe (actually) I am clutching at straws...</div><div></td></tr></table> <br></div><div><br></div><div>A change is definitely needed and yes, probably anyone with some head coaching experience will do better than Cash. Ackerman was a fluke, let's face it. Maybe Fourie will do well, but why leave the future of our union up to a gamble? Let's get someone in with head coaching experience who has proven to do well. There aren't probably that many international/world class quality coaches willing to come to the GLRU (let's be honest), but then look at what we can get. <br></div><div><br></div><div>Like Niela said Stonehouse &amp; Pretorius are two options. Maybe beg Swys or Johan Ackerman to come back and offer them one hell of a paycheck. Dave Wessels is still not employed (as far as I am aware). Heck, even go to SARU and beg them to assist with some coaches from their high performance unit. Get some consultants in like Brendan Venter, etc etc. <br></div><div><br></div><div>But all our management does is sit back and accept their pay, while not even seeming like they care about what is going on.<br></div><span style="font-size:10px"><br /><br />Edited by TunaLion - 13-Feb-2022 at 6:45pm</span>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.lionsworld.co.za/forumnew/member_profile.asp?PF=90">Vaal Leeu 3</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 9329<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 13-Feb-2022 at 5:50pm<br /><br />Valid points yes, but maybe a change is what is needed, like when Mitchell left...<div>&nbsp;Maybe (actually) I am clutching at straws...</div>]]>
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   <title><![CDATA[Lions vs Stormers :   Vaal Leeu 3 wrote:You are right...]]></title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.lionsworld.co.za/forumnew/member_profile.asp?PF=23">TunaLion</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 9329<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 13-Feb-2022 at 3:36pm<br /><br /><div><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><img src="forum_images/quote_box.png" title="Originally posted by Vaal Leeu 3" alt="Originally posted by Vaal Leeu 3" style="vertical-align: text-bottom;" /> <strong>Vaal Leeu 3 wrote:</strong><br /><br />You are right but if he resigns the hands of those that is currently so reluctant to act might be forced. The assistant coaches e.g Fourie will be able to step up into the Head Coach role. Lets be honest, how much worse can it get?</td></tr></table> <br></div><div><br></div><div>Well I am honestly not sure whether Jaque Fourie is that good at coaching either. I can show many clips of yesterday's game where there was only a first line of defence and no secondary line, while our scramble defence was also not up to scratch (although scramble defence does admittedly depend on player effort so the last point isn't entirely his fault, though it is up to him to motivate the guys).<br></div>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.lionsworld.co.za/forumnew/member_profile.asp?PF=90">Vaal Leeu 3</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 9329<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 13-Feb-2022 at 1:54pm<br /><br />You are right but if he resigns the hands of those that is currently so reluctant to act might be forced. The assistant coaches e.g Fourie will be able to step up into the Head Coach role. Lets be honest, how much worse can it get?]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.lionsworld.co.za/forumnew/member_profile.asp?PF=23">TunaLion</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 9329<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 13-Feb-2022 at 11:57am<br /><br /><div><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><img src="forum_images/quote_box.png" title="Originally posted by emiel1" alt="Originally posted by emiel1" style="vertical-align: text-bottom;" /> <strong>emiel1 wrote:</strong><br /><br />That Cash is not up to the task is plain to see, but even if he resigns tomorrow, we have massive problems with poor and rudderless leadership at the the top, poor financial backing, no succession planning, piss poor contracting, hardly any standard systems in place for players to progress from junior to curry cup to international level etc. etc. In any case, this is only sport, and the way things are going in this country we will have far bigger problems to worry about in a year or two than the performance of our sports teams.</td></tr></table> <br></div><div><br></div><div>Very true, all of what you said.<br></div>]]>
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